What Movie Does This Song Make You Think Of?

In this episode, Sam tests Aaron on his movie Needledrops by playing a song association game. Will our hosts think of the same movies or will this expose how different their film taste is? And, more importantly, will this episode get copyrighted? 

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Yeah, I like that she started. Welcome, everyone, to the second episode of the Hollywood Scarlets. I am one of the co-host Sam, joined by. Oh, you not say my name this time. Did you say my name or your name? Because I did you. I zero, there's a running joke in my house that I have dementia and, that's you and horrible joke. It's not a good joke, but it's a there's a running joke in my house that I have dementia. It's played upon me. Anytime I forget something, it's always dementia. And, So, yeah, there's this running joke in my house that I had a sinus. Oh, so that I wondered how long I was taking a catch on. That was like airplane naked gun humor. Oh, I'm Aaron, by the way. Yes. We haven't said that I am Aaron. Hello. There's the other co-host. By me, and we. I say we just go straight into it. What have you watched this week? What have I watched this week? Yes. So for those of you who haven't watched the first episode, that's going to be a very confusing joke because we just filmed it like, like five minutes ago we finished and now we're on to the second one. So why have I watched this week the same? I can't talk about films I'm excited to see. Let me. Okay, so there are two films in particular that I'm buzzing for, Robert Eggers Nosferatu. Yes, we have spoken about that briefly off. Yes. Off camera. I've also mentioned last week that I watched the original watching the original, and then watching the trailer for Robert Eggers version night and day that. Yeah, like, Robert seems to be going down this much more visceral, terrifying route. And obviously it was 1920s for the original Nosferatu. So the fear was different. Yeah, but it's like it's going to be a massive contrast. One thing that surprises me with that, in a world that we live in with, horror, like remakes and reboots and stuff like that, is that obviously, as you mentioned, they're the first ones, like 1923, I think 8 or 22, like two, I guess. And then we've got this one. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there's been any other interpretation, although there's been interpretations of Dracula and vampires, but Nosferatu, I shall correct you because I believe you're wrong. I believe there was a 60s version was that let me letterbox this real quick, because I think that was a so the original one, the 1920s, that was a German guy who directed that. Okay. And then I am pretty sure that was, another one. Oh, am I wrong? Who knows? 1922? No. Yeah. Nosferatu the Vampire by one, Werner Herzog in 1979. So, you know, sucked at that one. I was like, yeah, he did that in 79. Starring Klaus Kinski as Count Dracula. He was cool. Count Dracula. Right? But the film was called Nosferatu the Vampire. Yeah. The original Nosferatu to 22 was about to be more mono. Apologies if I pronounce that wrong. And I have Max Schreck. Yeah, but. Orlok. Yeah, in terms of the Count Orlok character. And that's from maybe what you're thinking of. I think maybe. Yeah. 1920s in this one. That's count. Or like the 79 was Dracula, which is crazy to me because that's like nearly 100 years or over 100 years ago. Oh, God. Jesus Christ, it is, isn't it? Because 1922, so 102 years ago. Wow. So this is our second interpretation of count Orlok in 102 years. It's crazy. I can't get over the fact that I was 100. That's over a month a century ago. 19. And I watched that a week ago. The cinematography of him walking up the stairs and the spotlight is horror, a horror imagery? Yeah. Yeah, I kind of. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. You know, as well, I feel like even if it's one of those that you can describe, I use it with like, like I used to be a big WWE fan and stuff like that. I'm a loner. I never liked anything like that. But she knows who the Undertaker is. She knows who John Cena is. Even before, like all this and the Rock and stuff. And it's just one of those where he's so good in an environment where he's where you don't watch it, you still know it, you still know it today. And Nosferatu walking up the stairs in that spot, like with the fingers coming up like that is iconic to me. I love it. Yeah. You know what? My first introduction to Nosferatu was not him. SpongeBob. What the the. Oh, I know, I know the lights. I know exactly the episode you're talking about as well. It was the graveyard shift, wasn't it? Whether or actually for the height of the, the hatchling and slasher, shooting and slasher, that was it. Oh, yeah. Because it's Nosferatu who starts it. Yeah. No star two. And like the fact that that was a horror icon. And SpongeBob, obviously I didn't know at the time, but then finding out later, I was like, wait, I that's a SpongeBob thing. What the hell? Yeah, I saw him in SpongeBob. He's not scary. What do you mean? But okay, that's one film. The second film I'm really excited about is, Mickey 17. Yeah. I agree with you that, yes. I'm very I'm very interested, first of all, to see Robert Pattinson in the role because he's just he's a brilliant actor. I'm really loving how he's progressed his career. Yeah. And then Bong Joon, Bong Joon ho, my pronouncing that right. Bong Joon ho. Oh, yes. A parasite parasites. Director, I do apologize. I do really love you as a director. If you're listening. If you are. What was it you said in your old podcast? Oh, yeah. If you're listening to tell Your friends. There you go. We're, we're doing we do references to things that no one's even going to know about, because, no offense, that sounded really harsh. Actually, I do apologize. Yeah. Thanks. Yes. No one listen to your old podcast. That's why you're here, Oh. Holy shit. I came on so horrible. I'm done talking. Now you go. A film that I'm looking forward to is, the new Wallace and Gromit. I think that's coming out at it. Well, I think it's coming out Christmas Day, but it's on Netflix January 3rd. But BBC is coming up Christmas Day and it's just You Could Give Me Anything by Aardman Studios. Cannot wait. So I can't wait to watch. Especially we haven't got a Wallace and Gromit film. We've had shorts, we had a couple of short. Yeah, but we haven't had one since curse of the way a rabbit. I curse the way I. Hilarious. Yeah, it's a great film. It's so good. I went to the cinema to say that, and I remember being scared by it. I went with, yeah, I'll make my. I think I'll wait with my granddad. I think my, my dad, my granddad with that and Oh, but also I, yeah, I'm really looking forward forward to that. And another two, 1 or 2 I think just from a personal. Yeah, that was a great film. Obviously can't wait for the kids to see that. And I am intrigued by wicked. I don't know about you. Yes. Because I think I said I've, I've seen the stage show and I'll stop by. I loved it until the end. Hey, at the end. And people might find other people find that controversial. Didn't like it. I do find it quite interesting that it's two hours and 40 minutes. I think this film is yet it's a part one. And you told me I didn't even know that. Nobody told me that. And it's been. And I find it so interesting that their marketing is as wicked. But there's two parts to it. And the first part is two hours 40 and it's good. I've seen the stage show. I have no idea what they're going to be doing in the second one, unless the second one is a Wizard of Oz remake, and they're not telling us that. I'd be interested to see it. I mean, we've, we we saw James Franco one anyway. Return to us. Yeah, I saw that the was in it was. Yeah. Yes. I think you're right to do that. It feels like he would have. Yeah I know he did. The Alice in Wonderland one with Johnny Depp. Yeah. I don't know if he's doing. Actually, I have no idea. He'll return. We did it. Sorry. It's an old film. Well, no. Not return. So I was return to was was the actual sequel to Wizard of Oz, which released in 1995. Which? Oh, Oz the Great and that's the one. That was it. It was Sam Raimi, wasn't Tim Burton. Sam Raimi did it. Oh, not a massive fan of him as a director, doofus. Oh, I know that is strangely controversial guy. Actually. Evil Dead, you don't think like that's I it's in a very uncomfortable film for me. I think. I mean, this is a really heavy topic and unfortunately quite political to get into here, but we're going to just bring it up and then probably Scott by it. I think the Sam Raimi's films reek of misogyny in a way that I just can't get past. For example, Drag Me to Hell, which is widely regarded as like a phenomenal horror film. Yeah, the whole film is basically about a woman being punished for her success. Okay. If you watch it in that in like and like, look for that. I mean, don't know, obviously draw conclusions based on evidence stuff, whatever, Sherlock. So you need to draw a conclusion on evidence. What is he said? I don't know, but like surely evidence. If you give me evidence, I don't like your theories based on it's shot like I said it, but someone. Look, I know, but I completely. I get what you mean. Like just this. This is my opinion. You watch it. I don't have the same opinion. Fine. If you're watching at the same site, I think he's responsible for the best Spider-Man film. Again, into the controversial. Wow. I just think Spider-Man two just has everything but anyway, we didn't mention that in the sequels better than the original. One man two is what I meant to have. Probably one of the most iconic ones is, oh yeah, but you used quickfire. You gave me so much pressure in the last episode. The quickfire is I had so much pressure. I and again, let's break the floor for a little bit here. The, is that I knew I knew I was going to come to me with like, questions about what we're doing, but in terms of when he said in that podcast, right here comes two quickfire questions that was new, did not know any quickfire questions were coming my way. That was I knew questions were coming my way. Didn't know I was. Because you spoke for so long on the top for I love film, so I gotta talk about them. You what you did, you did 25 minutes on top four. But I mean, it's not a good it's not a good interesting podcast. If you say what's your top four naked on airplane, Eternal Sunshine and up right next I was you know, I was actually wait and see if you gave a different answer. But I always loath to say something different just to see if people are listening. So you do the work again? Yes, but wicked. I am interested in watching. I'm interested in just seeing how how that's adapted. Because, you know, early kind of responses to it. I've been, oh, the two leads need to get some awards, you know, for the, for their performances is the and of thing. Okay. Interesting Ariana Grande there as well. Interesting indeed. Yeah. Well she started out as an actress didn't she Susan. Oh yeah. Victorious. Was it the cloud. Yeah she was I always forget that. I'm not gonna lie. Yes. So yeah. So you will say, the trailers, I don't think look that I'm not blown away, but also I'm interested. Let me dress it. So it's me. Yeah, yeah, I agree anymore. Oh, we let's move on to the topic. Not because I episode. So as a lot of you will find out may already know and we'll find out. We love horror. I don't think it's unfair to say it. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you're more of a modern take on horror, whereas I'm more of a older take on horror. Interesting, interesting. I know the thing is, your favorite of it is. But I think Old School Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, Halloween, Texas Chainsaw. That's my bread and butter. I'm gonna I'm going to agree to an extent. I do think I want to switch it though, because I think modern horror, or at least early like mid 20s kind of horror, you know, 2000 to like 2015 roughly. It was just jumpscares. It was loud noises that go boop and then you shit yourself. And it was more horror became shock. No. Yeah. Horror. Yeah. So I'm going to say that. Yes. But modern horror for me, the I love it's things like Hereditary and Midsommar and the light house and stick with you. Yeah. These kind of things that make you think get out as well. What is, you know, the ones that seem to want to comment more on the world social commentary, which I think horror can do in such a perfect way. Yeah. I always, I mentioned laughter a lot because it took over ten years, so I wouldn't. Yeah. Oh, wait, if I didn't. Yeah. Happy anniversary. So thanks for editing. So we, I say to her, though, that she's missing out on so many good stories and good, just good films because it's the the horror that obviously doesn't like jump scares. No one likes jump scares, let's be honest. But yeah. Why is that creepy atmosphere and a film that we watched, you know, a few years back, The Invisible Man. Oh. So. Yeah, well, film is and, you know, old line, I would have never watched that show. Opened up our horizons a little bit. Now it's some more creepy kind of films because that looked good. So good. It was really good. But that's not the topic of this week's podcast. Let's go back. Let's just do an insert here, though. It me, the guy who's who did The Invisible Man. Yeah they one out. He was obviously in saw. He saw. He's doing a Wolfman reboot. He is a child who was released to the child was released every week. I think he's very talented as a I think he's a brilliant writer. Yeah, yeah. Great. Good. He directed the third insidious, and he tracked one of them is what possibly trick Wilson I think did the most recent one, the one that plays Edward. He did James Wan did the first, I think the first two, you know, I think James Wan first two. And he did the first two countries. He definitely did the first two conjuring. He definitely the first insidious. Whenever he did the second one, I'm not sure. Maybe that's the one that Lee went out. No. Yeah. You all right? Directed by they. Lee went to the witch one. Yeah. Chapter three. Third one. Yeah, yeah. In like up to three as well. Yeah. And of month. So, what was the topic? My coworker. It's a short topic, which, I mean, he wants to know every time I go into it. So you just get. I though you guys segue into everything. So this is what I've talked about. We love horror. Yeah. So I thought, what better way to introduce my first topic is I want to talk about horror villains. I'll talk about those icons in horror. The ones that we see back in the 80s, maybe early 90s, you start to see a few, and then the modern takes on these horror icons. Are we getting the same amount of kind of icons in horror that that we used to get back in the day in pop culture, etc.? And there's things on there that I wanted to expand on, obviously, about sequels that we're getting. I mean, for they start then obviously we talk about 80s, late 70s or no, even early 70s, because we'll go right to the beginning of 1974. Texas, okay, is not the beginning. Based, but he so obviously he's based on based on serial critical edgy. Yeah. And the events of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. So at the beginning of the film, they're saying it's based on a true story. I guess in some way it is. There wasn't a deranged man running around with skin for a mask and then a chainsaw, of course, but I think the murders and the style I think was very true. Obviously at the I mean, Texas Chainsaw I think in itself is it's only a topic of conversation for a podcast, because why would it goes off into its own and the behind the scenes stories of that's oh my days. Yeah, exactly. No. Crazy. So but we start with obviously early 70s and we've got Leatherface. Okay. We go to late 70s, 1978, we got Haddonfield, and we're introduced to the shape, Michael Myers or whatever you want to call him. I think technically, I think in the he was he was the shape. He's the shape. Little baby boy. Michael getting his sister finds William Shatner mask and just carries on. Get it. And then we start and then we start building into the we get some more horror. So obviously Friday 13th part two are going part one because spoiler alert, he's not in it or you know, and it's the mum that's the killer. We get to Jason Voorhees with a bag over his head. It's only in part three, which is crazy because when you think of Jason Voorhees, you think of Hockey mask. Yeah, but he gets the hockey mask in part three and not in part one, and he's got a weird bag over his head. He's some weird hybrid, man. Yeah, he's got one. Oh, I like that bag. Has one on it. And he's some hybrid inbred kind of looking character. I don't know, no one really thinks about part two. Jason is part three is where it gets you talking about the that's where you get it. And it's briefly kind of in the remake that they did in 2009. It's briefly kind of he starts with a little bag over his head, and then obviously then someone who finds a hockey mask. So I like they did both of them. It's a nice homage. You know, you know him as him. And then obviously we go into like 84, we got Freddy Krueger, I my personal favorite horror horror villain, of all time. And then you get Pinhead Hellraiser again. We get in, we getting a Chucky toy. So, yeah, we get a, we get a murderous little toy who tries to kill his family. And, I mean, I'm not. I mean, you, they're some absolute icons and my favorites all the time. And I don't think it would be unfair to say that even the non horror fans among us that will be listening, you know who the characters. If I was to say to you, for example, tomorrow Morgan, I'm going to know who you're going to know. But it's not a name that immediately rings a bell. I mean like like for example, the insidious right Darth Maul character. Wasn't he just a devil? I think he was just the devil, but oh come on. So that is a bit later. But I think what I wanted to talk about, obviously, is those films in the 80s with those characters we feared, and my mom would tell you, Michael Myers mask is hates it. It's it's an expressionist. But she's so scared of it, can't look at it. I don't know why, but that's my mother. I think I have one. You have a Michael Myers. I think I have a mask as well as a mask. I'm not going to look for it now, but I think I. And what we get with those, what I wanted to kind of come to is they were so good and so brilliant across the world that Dimension Films, I think, was the main one for nightmare and was New Line, new line now. Sorry. My apologies. Yes. New line cinema main one. We got to see more. We got to see more. Freddy. Ash. What people want. People want more Freddy. Jason. People want more Jason. Leatherface. That's, Again, interesting. The sequels. Oh. I don't want people just buy the sequels. I have thoughts and Michael Myers, let's see more. Michael. That's what we cast what we want. And it gets to a point with these characters where you no longer fear them. You are rooting for them against the in the final because they become so like Avery. And again, maybe it's another topic to be had, but I think because there were so many different films, became so many different brand new characters that you're watching these brand new Final girls final and that are only in it for that one film. And then you then introduce it to a new character in the next film. But one constant throughout those entire films are the villains. Yes, you're Jason, you're Michael, and all of a sudden you care about them. They're like, oh there you go. Yeah, right. He's going to do this kill. And you don't really care about the characters that are going to be killed. You like we killed. And I think that kind of defeats the purpose of a horror villain, because then they're then they're not horror villains anymore. They become no, no, no anti-heroes either. But they become like this. Hey, I like I saw an inch. This actually kind of ties in with a podcast I was listening to. They were doing, horror movie Villain Awards. Okay. And they were like one of the things was, who had the best kill on someone where you were like, okay, yeah, that was a good kill. Yeah. You know, I mean, like, who killed someone that way? It was it was actually warranted. And the audience cheered and they didn't mention saw. I feel like Jigsaw and Saw is a perfect example because each one of those victims, quote unquote, deserved it in some capacity. Yeah. And whichever way that you want to look at it. And they didn't mention that. But like, I think jigsaw is a really interesting example of that because he it depends how you look at him. But like, you could argue he's not a villain because his whole point is, in a very twisted way, saving people or ridding the world of someone who doesn't make it a better place. Ooh, do you disagree? Oh, he's, a such a I think he's become too convoluted, I think. And this is what I wanted to get to and I've got it written down is in terms of the sequels, is that from your point of view? I'll put the question to you. Not quick. Fine. I'm going to put that on you. So you got to let that go. I never know what I'm going to bring up. Every episode is in terms of sequels to these characters. How much are they actually adding to this character that makes them more compelling? Because Friday for was called The Final Chapter, and that was the end of Jason. Although it was released in the 80s and then in episode five, I think it's called like A New Beginning or something like that. It's a copycat. Jason. It's, find out that he's actually the paramedic who's taken whose son died or something like that. The he dons the Jason mask for some reason. Because you that's the way to get people back in the cinema as it's Jason again. But it's not. It was a copycat, and that failed miserably. So instead of letting him die and letting him rest, they resurrect him. And then we get, episodes six, seven, eight, and nine. Where is this weird zombie Jason? Just unkillable. When does he go to space? It goes to Jason X, and I like Jason X, I do, I like Jason X. It is so bad. In the best way is early 2000s I think it was. It was like 2001 I think it was released. And it's got, I'm guessing the, the editor and the director and everyone else got given this brand new technology, they're like, let's see what you can do it. And they just did everything. Absolutely everything. Jason in space. So anyway, nightmare had seven sequels, probably the 13th had nine, Michael Myers, he had seven sequels. Pinhead I wouldn't I don't really I'm not going to sit here and lie to you. I've not seen any of the how it rises. But I do know that there's nine sequels to him. There's nine, and I just think why I didn't know the I thought it was like two Chucky, Child's Play, their six sequels and a TV show and a TV show and a TV show. I'm not sure in regards to the TV show if it's a continuation on all six. Sequel to the first. Oh, so is Squid Ink okay, I don't know if they keep it in canon and stuff. So in those films, can you tell me what happens in the. All I can remember of the sequels is I know that Halloween three doesn't actually have Michael Myers season, which, yeah, and then I know the Freddy three nightmare three as one. Oh, no, I'm. But we'll take that back a little. I about to say the best sequel. Okay I was that was I always remember that film because it was the one where my dad said to me, I stopped watching them after this. Who's interesting? You just said it's the best one. Interesting. Yes. Friday. So I'll start with a nightmare. Obviously, we start with this. He's only in it for like ten minutes. I think he the first film. Yeah. Ten, 15 minutes. And he's this icon and such a presence. Don't fall asleep. He died, you know, I mean, kind of thing. Oh, that. What an idea for what? An idea for horror villains that you can't fall asleep. That scares you immediately. Yeah. I like to sleep. I want to die. And then in nightmare two, which, interestingly, the studio wasn't going to pay Robert England his due for it. They said Robert Englund was asking too much money or whatever. So they were like, okay, fine, we'll get someone else to play Freddy easy. And I think they started to test and film with someone else's Freddy. And we're like, let's pay Robert Englund what he wants because he's obviously Freddy. And I can't tell you much of what happens in nightmare two. I'll leave it there. But then nightmare three is where he starts to quip, this is where we start seeing quippy Freddy. Welcome to prime time, bitch, as he puts a here is someone's head for the TV and the the kills become not like just this man with knives for hands scratching across your chest. Or you go through your abdomen. It kills a it to these characters that are like in a mental hospital. So for example, one of the little thinking about it now, it's the veins, the killer, the tendons. And he's walking this person, who's obviously addicted to drugs off of this building. People are watching him just walk off. Obviously, Freddy World is being like puppet ID with his veins and stuff. And then from there, we start getting more funny. Ready? Yeah. Instead of I'm in your dreams, I'm going to kill you, Freddy. I think that case, I think that, tell me how you prefer horror. Freddy. Or do you prefer funny Freddy? I think that one in the same, I see prefer. I think that's why the sequels of Freddy actually work and people like them is because there's still that love of the character and the understanding of the character. In the first one. He is funny, like, you think of that scene where his arms are stretched out. Ridiculous scene in the first one, he looks like a big clown, but it's creepy as hell because his knives are scraping along the wood and all that. And I think funny Freddy and Horror Freddy is one the same. It's the same character interest in Freddy's Death Final Nightmare. I think he's. Yeah. Oh, so that that has a killing it where he, one of the characters gets transported into a video game and then Freddy is then playing with a joystick, trying to kill him like that. And like, I think that's funny, I like it, but also, I'm not scared of that. And I think when you first are introduced to this character, he's scared of him. Yeah. Oh my word. And now you're like, he's playing a video game with this character. You're like, oh, that's funny how I like him. I think that's the that's that kind of the theme is like, you know, Michael Moss, for example, there are many timelines of Michael Myers. Yeah, I'm not going to I can try and explain them. But obviously we have the, the cult, the cult one, which is so bad. So they run out of ideas. I think towards the end of the fifth film where they decided at the last minute to kind of film this guy with a triangle on his wrist and say that Michael Myers was part of this cult. And that's why he kills. Because the cult Italian man in Black, I think his name was stupid. Yeah. So basically one, two then. Yeah. Season of the witch. Season of the witch doesn't follow any timeline in any Halloween film. It's just a one on its own. I think they want to do an anthology kind of series. So it's Halloween and then. But then people were like, oh, Michael Myers is an illness. This is bad. Let's bring him back in the fourth. The fourth one, even though in the second one he's very clearly blown up and on fire and hospital night people want more Michael. So he finds a new mask, which is considerably worse than the first two. And fun fact about the mask is that in the first film overseas, a William Shatner mask, bright white inside. That was, I believe it was an angel. Yes. Yeah, I think so, yes. And then obviously the second film was filmed, I think four years after the first one. So you'll notice in some of the scenes, Jamie Lee Curtis is wearing a very bad wig because I think she had short hair for a film, but the editor was John Carpenter's wife, I think might be an editor. And Nick Castle, the original, the original Michael Myers on The Shape, under the mask during his breaks, would just put the mask in his back pocket. You know, it's a one off horror film, and I was already going to care about the mask. And then it was kept under her bed for or however many years and stuff like that. And she smoked. She liked to smoke. So when you watch the first two, you'll see the first, even though they are set immediately after one another, is the mask is very tight to the face and yellow compared to like is, you know, very smoky compared to the first one. And then the fourth one. Obviously that mask is falling apart. It just fell apart. So obviously a fourth one, then the fifth one, the mask is even worse. And then the sixth one is better. But it's the worst film. Paul Rudd's in it. That was his feature film debut. For another fun fact, because I love Fun Fact Eyes. So he was that technically was his first ever film, was The Curse Michael Myers at Halloween? At the spot. The film was going through a hell of a lot of reshoots. I had a lot of, like, different writers came on board. There's two different cuts to it, but at that time, clueless came out. Yeah, that's what she's known for officially. It's what she's. What was his break? Oh, hold on, get this Halloween back out. Look, Paul Rudd's in it, and it's awful. I completely forgot where I was going with this. I don't know, man. This your topic? Yeah. What? Do you have a question? Any of this or you just kind of want to talk about horror villains? I just love talking about, oh, cause I've talked about it. I'm got to. I got a fun fact about it when you read it. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's fun fact. It's basically, I was watching this TikToker who is a little bit older, and he was talking about what it was like when scream was released. The original scream is obviously iconic film, arguably one of the best horror films of all time. And like the way that it must have had an impact, pop culture wise must have been incredible. And being around then, I would love to have been around them. Yeah, and he was talking about it and he took more of a of a stance of like what it did for studios and like you're talking about all these sequels. That was what horror was. It was like this cash cow sequels. It took it step by step. Films kind of took this out. I didn't yeah, but what scream did, which was very unheard of at the time, was it paid money because all of these shitty sequels, they were made on a very low budget, using an icon so that no matter what, even if they were terrible, they would make money back. Yeah, it was how they were made. And that was the whole kind of, business model of the scream came in and disrupted the formula by actually hiring good actors, actors that you knew Drew Barrymore, Courteney Cox, David Arquette, even Neve Campbell, she was in The Craft. I think she was in the Craft. And it disrupted that formula and made it so that you can invest in good actors and still have a good film is still make money. And then from scream, you see the impact of that because then you have things like, I know what you did last summer, and you have obviously the scream sequels themselves. They had a leave. Shriver came into the Shriver, and then, Jada Pinkett Smith. Thank you. Yeah. Think Smith came into it. And it was very interesting. It was very interesting. Part of horror and like a kind of turning point for the for the genre. Yeah. And I think I remember where I was going with my. Okay. Sorry. No, no, it's about obviously how sequels kind of add to the characters and obviously timeline of Michael Myers. Obviously he's part of cult. And then Halloween H2O came out. I'm not sure about it. Well, it's not bad, to be honest. It's not bad. Obviously it's it's Laurie Strode, it's Jamie Lee Curtis returned to Laurie Strode. Have one of her first many returns, Laurie Strode. Yeah, but it's it cancels out all of the rest. And I know it's just one and two, and H2O. And then Michael Myers is killed off at the end of H2O, but he's not because he's back and resurrection, which is, funnily enough, it's awful. That's not the funnily enough bit. The funny enough bit was, it was the the film is all done via like not all done, but it's like an internet show where they're like GoPro and there's kills being hacked and or GoPros and stuff, not GoPros, but like wearable cameras, found footage kind of thing. Yeah. Which is like insane when you think about that. Film was released in 2002, I think before it's time, way before it's time it was still doesn't defeat the fact that it's an awful film and Busta Rhymes, but three Busta Rhymes is in it, right? He karate kicks Michael Moore's into like wires and sets him on fire. You guys, happy Halloween Michael. And he goes, yeah, literally. That is the noise from the film. That wasn't me doing it. That was the noise from the film. Busta Rhymes is in it. I can't name you. Who else is in it? Jamie Lee Curtis. Laurie Strode gets killed off in the first ten minutes because she wanted to. Okay, it's done with the character. Yeah. She ain't want to come back. Malika Khalid, he's the executive producer of the studio that owns Michael. Can't remember if he's new at all dimensions, but he basically had it written that Michael Moore is never going to be killed off. Interesting of the, Halloween Ends. Well, you say that sadly, he died in a terrorist attack in 2005, so his son took over, and I think he's been a bit more leeway with the character. So there's no. Yeah, I kind of going off on one because, like, the more I talk about the villains, the more I just want more to talk about. I'm not. If I say I want to try to get to like a beginning, middle, end of this topic, like, here's what I was getting at. But I just love talking about the horrors. And one of the things I wanted to come to, and you've mentioned Ghostface, I have a scream is that obviously those I've talked about before in the early 70s to 80s kind of horror in terms of now we look at obviously the horror landscape as we see it now. In your opinion, have we got any icons that are like, get into that kind of status? Oh, I've got a couple, yes. But I think that the way we take horror now is different. Yeah. I don't think we look at the villains as much as we look at the heroes. Yeah. For example, it follows, you know, like, what's the villain in that? It's it's a nothing. It's a it's a shapeshifter, you know, like and I think because we've moved into a lot more paranormal ghosts, ghouls and spirits kind of thing, it's harder to kind of nail down a definite villain in the way that we used to. But there are still some I. So I've written, obviously, you wrote down Ghost Face and Jigsaw was another one that I wrote down in terms of like kind of modern era. Okay. So when you say modern, where's the where's the line? So like I would probably say from like 2000, we start the year 2000 on was kind of thing, okay. There's been plenty of horror films and like sequels and stuff. But in terms of like that standalone, first foremost is a brand new kind of villain for you to look at. I don't think in terms of like pop culture, like you would with Freddy, Jason and Levithan. I don't think we quite get that. Yeah. No. And I said the only ones that I could really think of, obviously, as you mentioned, Ghostface and Jigsaw, other one that I've kind of two more. One of them, what I put was Pennywise the Clown. Obviously in terms of pop culture, he's become very, remake. But yes. So obviously a Tim Curry play, a version of Pennywise became like the serials that they didn't like the 80s, and he was very much a clown. He was a guy in the car. Yeah, he was a clown. Whereas obviously this interpretation of Pennywise was very much a show like this entity. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. And the other one is Art the clown. Yeah. I was going to bring up the class, so. The clown, in case anyone doesn't know, is, is in, the film franchise Terrifier years or three so far. And I believe there's no stopping in making more. No, they're already part in the fourth, which we go on to horror sequels. Are we adding any more to this character or we literally just cash coming in because he's become quite iconic in definitely that world of horror? I think he's already kind of up there in terms of just your general audience. You may see I go to TikTok, for example. I know there's been some few reactions of that small that he does where he's shocked and smiles kind of thing. So you might recognize that character, but in terms of his actions, which seeing the first two heart terrifies, I actually haven't seen it yet. Gusting. And I don't know if I want to watch the third because apparently thoughts even worse. Like good in terms of film, but like in terms of the gore and the and the kills, I don't care for gore. Yeah. He's I think becoming starting to venture into that Ghostface kind of esque jigsaw, like the puppet jigsaw doll on Halloween. Sam has always got like some sort of like spiral one. Yeah, yeah, I did it for Halloween. It was easy to do for white makeup and spiral. You done, you jigsaw. You know who you are. You're Billy. Oh. Oh, yeah. Billy the puppet. Yeah, yeah. I'm not John Kramer, am I with the de-aging myself by turning the hat backwards? That was 47 or something. Whatever I can remember. It was, that was classic de-aging that. How can we make him look younger, that backwards? Make him look cool? Yeah. Make him look hip, young. Carry a skateboard. Oh, yeah. He was, wasn't he? I think the clown is as close as we're going to get to the Freddy's. The the Michaels. I think it would have been interesting to be back in that time and see how these films would have been absorbed by the mass audience, because obviously we know them now is very iconic and unbeatable in terms of what they achieved and the slasher genre. But I would have been interested in back then. Would they have been only consumed by a certain group of people in the way that the Terrifier films have been now? Yeah. And therefore, is it exactly the same, or would it have been more of a mass audience appeal with those horrors? Yeah. No, no, Mr. Fair is fair question. It's obviously living in a world of social media. How are people going to care about people will find Freddy. I probably still did like, call me God. Like they've probably try and dance with him when I just be like, oh, try to kill me. And what I want to mention, obviously, in terms of sequels in the modern era, you tend to see a lot less of obviously, you know, we get a few Terrifier saw is ridiculous. Yeah, just absolutely ridiculous. Yeah. And scream obviously have six sequels, but I think we were to counter the outcome of what does it add to the character? Ghostface isn't technically a character. Most faces is a symbol costume. So yeah, it's a yeah, the symbol of the guy saying it. Whereas you have a different color every time, which I think is what makes that engaging. Yeah. So in terms of like the most especially like the most recent one we talked about in the generated one. Yeah. Oh yeah. I don't know her name. No. That was the most recent one. No no no. But for the recent ones sorry I might have seen it's and then obviously the, the most recent which was I set in New York when it may. Yeah. If I may I have I actually uploaded the video to YouTube and I briefly had a YouTube channel for film. I have a lot of issues with what they did with that film. Okay. I thought it started really strong. Yeah. And then it's it's ending. It just it just didn't fit the landing for me. Okay. And I think Gale should have been Ghostface in that film. Oh, okay. I think it would have been a really, really good way of pushing her character forward. Obviously, she'd lost, Dewey, which I think would have been a snapping point for her very easily. And I think also you would have had her basically trying to recreate the Ghostface so that she could write about it. It was it was it was then like this idea of people who manufacture stories for their own personal gain. And that's what she would have done. And I think that would have said more about today's world in the way that scream always does in its commentary than what the actual ending did. So interesting interpretation of the character, because I was I was certain she was going to die. Personally, I think she should have. And I think she should have. Yeah, she's then you get to, killing off all the original characters, I think. I think there was a good I think there was a purpose for her in that film to die at that point, but she didn't, and I think her and Neve Campbell, I think back for the eighth. Okay. The 712. Oh, yes. Seven one. Yeah. Now back for the seventh one. So we'll see how I'm going to watch it. There's been a lot of how they treated Melissa Barbera has been disgusting. And I think like in terms of a new people who haven't been introduced to me, I'm quite a socially conscious person, and so I can make a lot of decisions based off of that. And I think for me, the way that it's still new line, isn't it? No, it's not new line, is it the makeup house, whoever it was, the production company basically behind the new screen films, treated Melissa Barbera disgustingly. And I know that General Ortega has also stepped away. Yes. Yeah. Neve Campbell said she wasn't going to come back. And I kind of do. If she does come back now, I have a little less respect for her. You know, she's my favorite final girl. But, you know, I mean, oh my gosh, right. Spyglass I never said spyglass, but thank you for giving me that. So like I said, Dimension and New Line and also radio silence as well did this radio silence. They did the oh my God, ready or not. Ready or not they did. Abigail a new one and the vampire one. Yeah. Oh yes. Yes, it did you quite fun directors to be funny. I quite enjoy what they do. I think Ready or Not was was a fun movie. But anyway, Which would what? We talk about horror events. Yes. I mean, I mentioned this just briefly before we started the podcast. I think the issue that I have of all of these horror sequels, and I mentioned Leatherface specifically, is a fundamental misunderstanding of the character of who the character is. I think that's why the Leather face The Texas Chainsaw Massacre sequels don't here is because Leather Face isn't necessarily a villain. He is a manipulated victim in many ways, a family. Exactly. Yeah. And I think when you have like the leather face film and they try and make him a villain, yeah, it just doesn't work because he's not a villain. He's he's not. And the story is, are the villains. Yeah. I thunderstorms then. Yeah I there was Texas Chainsaw 3D which was awful. So yeah because it was a direct sequel to the first film and which was 1974, but Texas 3D was set in the year it came out, which I think was like 2030 and like that. Nice. But what didn't make sense to me, this is immediately how bad it is that lead actress in it, Alexandra D'Ambrosio. I think the name is okay. Obviously she 20 a she was a baby that was picked up by the sheriff in in in. So it start to be like the beginning of the film. It's brilliant because it's set. It's set directly after. So he's finished doing his chainsaw in the sunset. You obviously run back to the house and then the police are kind of surrounding the house sort of family directly after the first one. That's a 1974. That's where we are. They start shooting at the place, wherever it is. And then one of the women obviously has a baby. The baby's got the scar on a chest from something. Okay. Then we flashback to modern time and we have who is quite clearly the baby in 1974. As Alexandra D'Ambrosio, who was 25 or 26, 2013. Now, the math ain't no no. That math is not massive for me because she's very clearly suppose should be 40 or something like that. Oh, like 42, 41 that I'm sure something like that for we keep looking things up. This is what we were going to be doing, I think far too frequently on this podcast is just looking things up on IMDb and oh, Daddario, Daddario. I knew it was. You kept saying I was like, I'm pretty sure I was looking to Daria, because then Jessica Biel was in the 2003 Texas Chainsaw Massacre, which I stand by. I, again, it's a fundamental misunderstanding of the character for me. That's why I don't like it. Interesting, interesting. He's smart as well in that one. He has, like the wherewithal to set traps. But I guess I don't know. We can't. We come to the, we come to a topic of remakes, which I'm sure will we will get into, obviously, is that do we want to see the same thing, or do we want to see a different interpretation of this character? Are we or do we want to watch another Sawyer family manipulate this, or do we want to see a twist on Oden? He's a he's a smart he's a smart. Empathize. Now that's interested. I think we want to see something different, but we also want to recognize the character. Yeah, I'm seeing some sequels, some remakes. I have not done that. Obviously, Friday the 13th remake is polarizing for me is I think it might. Jason scary is he ran. Jason doesn't run, but this Jason run after it and then he was obviously tormented by his mom. Who's this woman looks a bit like it. So, Martha, the mummy issues he has, I didn't mind that little bit. A twist and interpretation of the character. I don't get me started of a nightmare remake. I just think I fucking hate that interpretation of the character is no good. Okay, so I hate that film. Yes. I'm not a fan of the. I said, the only thing I think I've said to you in previous, previous conversations about it is the only thing I like about that film, that it can it take something, a different interpretation on it is that they stay awake for so long that there's Dream White. They're awake, but they're dreaming. I like that because that way you kind of don't know if the characters are asleep or awake kind of thing. And I thought it was an interesting kind of take on it. I thought, you know, you can't go, you have to sleep. And that's, that's the thing. You can't just stay awake forever, have to sleep and I like that. But the film wasn't just Rooney Mara. I want to quit acting. Dyer. I didn't know that. That's interesting. So not a fun fact. Not terrorizing the person. But I was thinking about why I didn't like that film. And it's interesting you talking about, like, liking Freddy, because that's why I didn't like that film. Because it made Freddy unredeemable. Yeah. Yes. And it's so weird to think about, like a murderous maniac who wants your dreams. And I'm like, yeah, but I don't like him anymore. That kind of like toy you were saying about the sequels? You just kind of. We were along the ride along for the ride with Freddy and watching him just wreak havoc. Yeah. And then that one that was like, oh, how can I like him? He's an awful man. He's a terrible mom. Terrible, disgusting. And we're not saying that killing children any better, but. And yet. But we are the one. We were saying that like there is because he just murdered them. It wasn't as bad. Yeah. It's fine. Yeah. You know, the parents set him on fire. That's that's fine. But yeah, I think you've had a good conversation, I think. What have we come away with? So we come away with, we have come away with. Yes. So yes. Yes, we come away with horror icons or there are, I think, more icons in the 80s than there are today. But I think you've counted very well. It's how we consume the entertainment, what's making them very different. I will say a point I haven't raised yet, and I will say, I think the Conjuring universe is a very interesting thing to look into when it comes to horror villains. Because you had Valak, the nun? Yes. Annabelle. Yes. And I think we talk about horror sequels. What about horror spinoffs? Which I think is the new thing is it's just like the new thing, the new way that studios are milking the cow. Yeah, they get one scary character in a film and they're like, People like this character. It's make a whole franchise around that one. And, but that, that also might be the Marvel effect to take in any character. It was just like, Cinematic Universe because they actually tried to do a monster cinematic universe with The Mummy. Yeah. Tom Cruise yeah, and it fucking failed up. I'd like to see one now because obviously at The Invisible Man, and I'd like to see if they went out as the Wolf Man potentially could potentially make it because like, I think he is in a better position to do it because he's not necessarily trying to do it. Is the 30s you had that monster universe yet the Wolfman appearing. I was going to bring this up with you because you said, oh, we started the 70s with horror, but you're missing out hammer now, obviously. So obviously I know Dracula, Frankenstein, and, so the eyes of mine, they're all kind of. Yeah, I guess they obviously are horror icons in that sense, but I think that I think they interpreted a bit, maybe a bit differently because I'm sure most, if not all, are adaptations of written, published books. Yeah, I think so. I think in terms of those characters, we could talk about adaptations of horror, horror, villains and stuff like, whereas obviously these ones like Brand New bit more from the page. I think that's why I've kind of looked at them a bit differently. Okay. I do not take away anything from I love the hammers, I love the 30s in the 40s, kind of, titles like Draculas and Frank. Did you know Hammer's back? Did you know? They've told me that? I think we were both in HMV. Well, yes, that was it. Yeah. Comments on Hyde, ideas I to oh yeah. She's in it. Yeah. I did not know about it. And then it was I was looking up Dracula because I tried to do whoop tober failed unfortunately because I'm. Yeah. You fucking did training playlist together, man. I tried to put this together. I tried, but I was moving. Oh, you. That cannot be your excuse for everything. It will be for the next at least couple of episodes, because I'm still unpacking. That's not moving. That is that you've moved? You've moved. Okay. You're you're unpacking. Okay. What? It was my point of. No. Yeah. Hammer is come back, which I think is really interesting because I think it would be cool to see a resurgence of these old characters. I'm guessing they don't own the rights to any anyone. Are they kind of locked in place? Public domain. Public domain. It's like Winnie the Pooh is. They know I haven't seen a, I don't know if I want to. I know there's a Grinch horror film as well. Oh, yeah. No, I think it's called the meme one. Yes. Yeah. Me one. And I think there's a Bambi horror film coming out. Bambi was enough of a horror film. There's a Mickey mouse one coming out. Mickey Mouse in the public domain. No Steamboat Willy's. And, let's say, have you heard of the Mickey Mouse effect? So it's a copyright thing and it's very interesting. So copyright law changes every time Mickey Mouse is about to enter public domain. And you can look at that. You can look at the graphs every single time he's about to. It gets extended. It gets extended. It gets exposure right. Yeah. It's the Mickey Mouse effect. It's it's a really it's interesting, but it's also kind of terrifying about how a corporation can literally impact the laws of the system, how it's like that, I guess. Yeah. I promise next time I'll come away with more of a and then but I enjoyed talking about them with you. I hope everyone has enjoyed listening and maybe come away with some more knowledge and some horror people that you're like, oh, fair enough. I didn't see that character like that or yeah, yeah, I mean, this is what this podcast is. It's just so yeah, I bring about cinema because we love cinema and hopefully you do to the person listening. And if you don't, hopefully you will like it. From how we talk, I would be nice. I would be nice if we turn people on to it. But then why are they clicking the podcast? Because it's called The Hollywood Score. It's like, that's oh yeah, we haven't explained that name yet. I have no, well no, no, no, we'll leave it really good because they can't see us. No, no, they have no way of knowing why I would go and till such point when that the podcast is video recorded. We're not. No. As when Spotify gives us a deal to do a video podcast imagined. Oh, yeah. This is on our our second episode. We're thinking big. We're going to be everyone's new favorite film podcast. You heard it here first. Woop woop. So I'll end it here then. So thank you very much. For it actually. No, I won't end it here. Do you. Oh my goodness man. Oh wow. Even not even the other name Elliot was his previous partner in podcasting. Yeah, that was literally the equivalent of calling me by your name. Yeah. Sorry, sorry. But, you know, now I was gonna know because now I listen to the podcast. They are so do you have any recommendations for our film club to get on to this week? Oh, it's interesting because we, we haven't watched the ones we did last week. So most Naked Gun. Yeah. What film do I think everybody should watch? I'm, I'm you know what? I'm going to stick with my top four. I'm going to say the substance. The substance is starting to become available on streaming now. It's available on Mubi, which you can sign up for for a free trial. I believe I'm not sponsored, although maybe if you want to fucking sponsor, it'll be pretty cool. But it is. It is a brilliant film and it is a brilliant social commentary as well, and I think everybody should watch it. I think on the topic of, my theme, make sure you watch A Nightmare on Elm Street, not the 2001. Please make sure you type in 1984, Johnny Depp's, I think, first ever film. So if you think it was like him for whatever reason, there you go. And just it's I just think there are certain parts of the film that have aged so well in terms of kills, and how of the effects. So I won't say too much more, but you know. Yeah. And there's a scene, in a bad style, you know, there's a scene in the bed that ooh, ooh, it's a different movie you're talking about. So that is my recommendation letter box. I'm Sam. Matt. He's a dupe. Give us both a follow. You'll see what kind of films we've watched and watch during the week. And rated and tell us if you like him, us if you like the films and if you don't like the films. Oh, Scar or Twitter or X, I don't know what we should call it. It's something's x, x. A whole scar on there. And TikTok we are. I still haven't said it. So, you know, it's been two weeks and still hasn't set out, in one week to them. No, to be doing so. But we'll we'll let you know as soon as that comes out. And we thank you very much for listening. See you in the next one. And remember to follow us on your favorite podcast site. Oh, yeah, we're on that. Yeah. Because obviously, how are people? I mean, yes, keep following us on Spotify. And, what was the other one we said we were going to do? 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