The Hollywood Scarlets
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Batman Movies: Who Did It Best?
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In this episode, our hosts Aaron and Sam dive into some hot takes by asking themselves the simple question: Who did it best when it comes to Batman movies? From Affleck to West, which actor brought the strongest portrayal of the on screen Dark Knight? And who will go down in history and the worst of the night?
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Yeah, I like that she started. Action. Welcome to the Hollywood Scarlett's podcast, a podcast for film lovers by film lovers. Podcast, podcast, podcast. I am your director for the episode my name is Sam. I'm joined by the ever talented Mr. Aaron Duke. Hello. All are welcome. A star on my staff. Do you want to take that from you? The haha. Oh wow, that's a nice reference. One of these days we're going to get our intro correct one of these days. I'm sorry, I'm just fine with his mic. Nibbler. No I'm good. I would have got that right if I didn't say podcast. Hollywood Scarlett's podcast, even though it is. It is. But it's not called the Hollywood Scotch Podcast. We're called the Hollywood. Are we the Hollywood Scarlett? So is the the show Hollywood Scarlett. We're the Hollywood. We are the Hollywood Scarlett. Yeah, yeah. So I guess this is the Hollywood Scarlett podcast. It's taking me like three months to realize. Oh, that's why it's called that. You helped name us. I did, I did, yes, we are Hollywood Scarlett to Ginger film folk loving films. So I think it's yeah I think we get straight into the weekly rushes. It's a feature on the podcast where we talk about the films that we've watched this week and shot. Every time I say podcast, you're stumbling, you're all in about the joint song. What's happening? I'm still drunk. What do you mean? I had, a strawberry daiquiri last night. You had a single strawberry daiquiri. Now I have thrown out a bottle of strawberry duck. Okay, it was Valentine's weekend. Didn't have two kids. One thing led to another, I. Well, hey. No, no, no, not really explicit podcast, but not that explicit. No no no no. Like that. Not like that. So let's let's start I mean, I'll start with because me and you went to watch three films together and we've seen another film just not together. I'll start with one quick film that I've watched that I know you have previously, but I've watched it for the first time last week and it was ready or not. Bloody hell. I loved every second of that film. Samara Weaving punches a ten year old in the face, and I had to pause it because I was laughing so hard. It's simplistic storytelling done right. It was funny. There was some like some shocking moment, like twists and turns. I was like, oh fucking hell. But tomorrow even needs to be in more. She needs to lead more, I think. I think she held that film down. Yeah, I think we're starting to see more of her. But I it's weird because like, I think a lot of people just see her as the the Margot Robbie lookalike. Yeah, yeah. When if you could tell by that she was just like she was force and I love, I love that I loved it, I loved it. A film we recommend for sure I 100%. So let's go to the films that we've seen this week. We started off the week with here. Yeah. It's directed by Robert Zemeckis. A nice return to form from your favorite film of all time, Forrest Gump. Oh, you got to write this. Thank you for everyone. And I genuinely had quite a few comments from people I don't know, and people I do know that were having a go at me because I forgot Ivan's favorite film last week. But those that haven't listened to last week's podcast, I please listen to it and be, you can tell about 45 minutes into the episode, I checked out because I was just and every question wrong, and I was just like, I just want you to leave you pissed off like I was two of the closest people to you. Oh, did I did, I really did. And yes, I in explicitly, inexplicably forgot Aaron's favorite film. And I was like, let's go back. What's that word? Real quick, I just very badly nor to the audience, did not get your face, by the way, I inexplicably Enix hold out of it. All right? We're not move at all until I get this in. You say it again for me. Oh, because you're dying in the beginning. So, Oh, fuck is that? Oh, you're under siege outside our window. The police are coming for Sam for his poor fucking English. Enix inexplicably, inexplicably, inexplicably. Yeah, yeah. Inexplicably. Oh, God. I sat there crying. I forgot Forrest Gump. Okay, this is my. This is my comeuppance about it. I can't say words. Hey. Directed by Robert Zemeckis, reunites Tom Hanks and Robin Wright from Forrest Gump. It's a film that, for those that don't know, the entire film is one camera angle. Yeah, or pretty much an hour and 45 minutes. I think the film was. And throughout that one camera angle, the story of Richard Margaret, the leak to Tom Hanks, and Robin Wright leads and their journey through life, their journey through when, when they were born to, you know, to the end. I guess that's no spoilers. Like at least not to the end of the film. Really? Yeah. That's it. Yeah. That is. How are you? What is happening? Tom? Come on, let's go. Do you need a breather? Do you? Did you enjoy the film? You know, inexplicably, I did. Inexplicably, yeah. No, I, I, I enjoyed the film more than you. I think when we came out of it, we had kind of differing views. Yeah, we had a lot of that. This week, actually. This was a week of us not really agreeing on films we watched. Very true, very true. I thought it was fine. Like, I, I, I loved the I just love the fact that it was one I love in like big words, the ingenuity in ingenuity, the ingenuity of it all, ingenuity was correct. Ingenuity of it all. Because it's I've never seen it before. No. And that's what drew me to it. And that's what kept me hooked. And for a film that was one camera angle for one hour and 45 minutes of my life, I didn't look away once. And I think that was very good filmmaking, very good writing. However, it doesn't just feature this story. No it doesn't. No, it's he feature stories of past lives of people who have lived there before, etc.. I mean, I understand it obviously, because, you know, it's life. You don't know what's kind of happened before you. You don't know what's happening after you in in this one house, though, two different stories happen in that I like that. But however, I just feel like a lot of that story previous like live stories took two much time away from Tom Hanks and Robin Wright's characters. Like kind of elder story, because I feel like we kind of rushed a little bit when they got older. My opinion. Yeah, I liked it, I liked it, it was fun. Yeah. It was the strange thing to say for an hour and 45 minute film was that it felt bloated with the storylines. Yeah. Like one of the storylines is about the person who invented the La-Z-Boy. Yeah. It never directly ties in to what Robin Wright and Tom Hanks his characters are doing. Like, if we'd seen them buy a La-Z-Boy and sit on it, it would be like, oh yeah, let's like a big portion of their life. But yeah, so you never kind of return to it, you know? And I don't think you're meant to necessarily, but at the same time, like, I appreciate pushing the boundaries of film, but at the same time, films have the rule where, like, everything you see on screen should be there for a reason and kind of linked together in some way. And this one just didn't do that. The others did. Like we saw the Native American storyline that did Lincoln. Because you had the necklace. Yes. Yeah. They found. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Obviously the the modern day storyline linked him because it meant that they could go back in at the end. This all makes sense if you seen the film. Yeah. Yeah. Not to give too much away. Yes I, I and obviously the house that's opposite was obviously present in Benjamin Franklin. So some shit was it I think so I think it was like Benjamin Franklin's son. Yeah I came to visit or something. Yeah. Yeah, it was, it was weird. One thing, I took Tom Hanks and he's just an amazing actor always. I thought he played. He played every role. Teenage, middle age, old age. He played them all really, really well. And the agent in the film, I thought it was very. We discussed this on the way home. Actually. Didn't we? We were like, it was probably the strongest showing of de-aging, I think. Yeah. To date I haven't seen The Irishman, which I think is is one which is, oh, I have seen a lot of that. Yes. It is also very good. Okay. Is the Irishman is now a couple of years old now. Yeah. So you would think the technology would have progressed? Yeah. Considerable amount like in terms of de-aging of, you know, you see it kind of crop up in Marvel movies here and there and it's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's. Yeah. It's been from Iron Man. I remember Iron Man's de-aging. I think it was over in Iron Man three or oh, Civil War things. The Civil War. Yeah. Because he was. Yeah. No, I think it was Civil War. Yeah. That one was that one wasn't great. It was young Robert Downey, junior, wasn't it. Yeah I think it was. Yeah. And then Gemini man did you ever see Gemini man I've not as much as two Will Smith yeah that one like was good for what he was doing. But there were moments where you're like, Holy crap, that looks terrible. Oh, it's okay. I think again, just like a product of its time. Yeah, but shot was a Mecca for constantly pushing cinema boundaries. Yeah. And obviously, you know, it's not like the saw films when you do a flashback and Tobin Bell's got his hat on backwards. That's like the third time you've mentioned this in some podcast. You're obsessed. Well, you know, it's a shame he died of cancer and a brain tumor. Gemma. Yeah. So all the stuff that he was inflicted. You need to let things go. I will never let that. I feel like you holding on to things is really unhealthy. You know, we then, moved on. We did a double bill on Thursday. We did? To watch two films. The first of the night was September 5th. September 5th, I think American wise, that does mean September 5th. What, September 5th? Yeah, because apparently writing is too difficult for the Americans who say, is there portion of our, listeners that you've just. I'll fucking do it again. Oh, okay. Moving on. So we watched September 5th, for the argument's sake, I'm going to call it September 5th. Yeah. During the 1972 Munich Olympics, ABC Sports Broadcasting found themselves covering a hostage situation featuring Israeli athletes and coaches. Based on a true story, the film used archival footage pretty much literally. When you see the film you're watching, obviously the actors in the in the in the control room, you know, directing it. But then when you obviously watch what's happening out there, it's all real life footage, which was really done. I think the use of archival footage, obviously the host as well, you know, they they use Jim, Jim Henson, I think so, yeah. So you're right there. And from a storytelling perspective, from a directing editing perspective, acting perspective, I think everything it was gripping. I think the fact that it was based on a true story, like I didn't know much about it going in. I knew the film was based on a true story. Yeah, but I didn't actually know what the outcome of it was. So I was kind of finding out as I was watching it like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And here we address the elephant in the room. Well, I'm just trying to get all this out of the way first, because I know because I, I fully appreciate and I just think I think you said it. Well, in your review on Letter box, follow us. Sam Duke, the journalistic integrity. Integrity that it portrays like do we like there's a line in the film. It's like, can we show someone being shot on live TV and, you know, the the roof story is it? And the director goes, well, we can't control what happens. And it's like, no, the answer is no, you can't. And yeah, exactly like whose story? Like they were trying their best to keep it. We want this story. And yeah, from a journalistic point of view, it's like, oh, okay. It's the morality isn't it? Of. Yeah. And like, why reshot it pairs so beautifully with Civil War, which if anyone hasn't seen I would recommend the heavy film. Heavy heavy film. But you watch those back to back and, and hopefully kind of look at journalism in a different way and, and think about this is not even journalism actually. I'm thinking like Nightcrawler as well. I think it's another one. Oh. Nightcrawler. Right. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You know Jake Gyllenhaal. Yeah. The idea of like, anybody can can get the shot now and anybody can report on anything. It's not just journalists, not that have to be thinking about this. Yeah, you're right. Something happens in the day to day life and everyone we've set for ages, social media. How many people I've seen die on Instagram Reels? It's ridiculous. Yeah. There's just no there's no. Anyone can watch it. Yeah, there's no filter. And we're obsessed with filming it. Yeah. Like it didn't happen unless you capture on film. Yeah, yeah I agree. What can't be overlooked and what can what can't not be addressed is the timing of the release of this film. Yep. I have tried to do a bit of research to try to find out when did production kind of start? When was this looking, you know, is it just poor timing? Or is it propaganda? Let's. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. No, no, I'm glad you here. No. Because you, you know, I, I'm glad you said it. Is it propaganda. Is it because the for those that don't know it, it's not spoilers based on true life, but those are those that don't know. These Israeli athletes were held hostage by Palestinians who were keeping them hostage because they wanted. I think it was like 200 Palestinian hostages in Israel released and released. And if they don't get released, they'll kill our hostage every hour on the hour or something like, oh, now you compare, obviously with the world, with everything that's going on today in Israel and Hamas, you can't help but think when you were watching this e y now, like I think I mentioned this to you and I want to talk about it as well as like if we look at the the cinema slate that we've got recently, you kind of have to raise questions. Now, I'm not a big conspiracy theorist. Not for me. Like, I like hearing conspiracy theories because I think they're funny. But I, you know, the the moon landing was faked. I literally couldn't care less. Oh, that is my favorite conspiracy. Not just because I just it's the it's just it's not. Obviously not. But anyway. Yeah, sorry, but you look at the cinema slate recently and we've got four films in the cinema or just been in the cinema which are pro Judaism, pro-Israeli. So you've got a real pain, which is centered around two Jewish cousins visiting their ancestors. They also have a live with the with the Holocaust. Yeah, we've got September 5th, which talks about Israeli hostages that were taken, these these athletes who were taken by a group called Black September, I believe they were caught NBA and very much paints the Israelis as victims and the Palestinians as terrorists. They're literally called terrorists. Yeah. They would yeah. The brutalist, which is a Jewish architect. Yes. Coming to America and again, deals with the Holocaust, deals with the effects of World War Two. And, you know, like what it means to be Jewish. And if you've watched the film, the ending kind of ties everything together in that way. Yeah, yeah. I don't want to give too many spoilers on that. And then Captain America Brave New World, you wouldn't expect it. But the the person who's now taken on the role of Falcon, I believe, is an Israeli, character, or there is just a superhero in there who is an Israeli superhero. I can't remember how they work that character into the film. We're seeing that later. So we are. Yeah. You'll find. Yeah. Next week. Yeah. We'll discuss it. Yeah. We'll find out. Yeah. So you kind of have to look at that and be like, considering the timing. That's really fucking bizarre. I don't there's no denying that the timing is peculiar. Yeah. It's a it's it's a fascinating story obviously, but did it need to be told right now I think for for the journalism. Yes. Yeah 100%. Yeah. Yeah I agree. Yeah. Because when Civil War came out, when I was watching that I was like, this is such an important fucking film right now. Yeah. About Palestinians in Israel. I think I saw a lot of reviews that were talking about how this film tried to stay apolitical, and in doing so, made the political choice. And I think I agree with that because this film didn't really obviously take a side. It was about these people who were reporting on it. And it did try and focus more on the journalistic aspect. But when you're dealing with subject matter like that in the time period that we're currently in, it's impossible not to take a side, I think. Yeah. One thing that I, I just it was, I don't know, maybe it was just me, but like obviously 1972, 27 years after the Holocaust, I think, you know, that would still be quite fresh. Yeah, sure. And it was the first obviously Olympics in Germany since, since Hitler. So obviously, you know, a big portion of the film was they want to make, you know, we want to Germany to be right. You know, we love all the Jewish people and everything like that. And I was just I don't know, there was part of when when they said about the Holocaust and stuff, I was like, oh yeah, that was literally less than three decades ago, which obviously, but then, yeah, it would have been really raw. I think I was trying to look for a specific line in the film where I think he he literally says, it's not about politics. Oh, yeah. So he says, it's not about politics, it's about emotion. Yeah. Which everybody has been quoting and being like, get fucked. It's literally the film is literally about politics. Yeah. Well, I think that was the filmmakers trying to say like, this is yeah, this is about politics. Yeah. Exactly that. So film making, great editing, great actor for sure. For sure. For this subject matter, I think there's no skirting around that. Yeah. Yeah. It was it was like there's two options. I said they were my view but like to go over again. Now the first option is this film was incredibly poorly timed. It was tone deaf, completely unintentional in its subject matter, which honestly, unfortunately that's the ideal is. The other option is that this was very intentional and is essentially a piece of propaganda that's pro-Israeli and Anti-Palestinian, which that's a good place to into it. You know, it's just, yeah, there's a good place to leave it. We followed that up with a couple of games of darts, which not only talk about that, which the pub and then let's talk about it does for a second because it's fucking hilarious. No, I don't want to talk about it. I just want to say one thing. I gonna say one thing. Sam laughed at me when we before we started playing because. And he did the laugh of like, oh, you poor soul kind of laugh because he was like, do you not play darts? And I was like, yeah, you just throwing darts at the ball. And he was like, oh, you don't just throw the darts. The board. And I was like, whatever, let's just fucking crack on. We played three games. How would you win? I'll rephrase it slightly. We play three games and the next one wins. Game. Yeah, I won, which was the final one. Yeah, I hope so I want it. Yeah, yeah. The next one wins. I'll leave you audience to decide why we did. Next one wins. On the third game, I will just put a couple of disclaimers in in our own story there we talk about journalistic integrity. You know, telling the truth. They seem to let a few things out. Like what? I didn't laugh like that. You did. You're making me out to be a villain. You didn't. You did not laugh anything like. Ha ha. Because I was just like, I like darts. Yeah, and it is throwing darts at a ball, but there's a bit more accuracy to it with which you. You just threw them and you just hit the trebles, and it was just, you're like, no. Anyway, and then very late in the day, right after we watched Love Hurts, we did, we watched Love Hurts. It stars key, Hugh Quam and his first lead since his Oscar win in Everything everywhere, all at once. I missed his first lead. Full stop. No. Oh. Could be, could be January. Seriously? It was. I guess he was the male lead in everything. Everywhere. Yeah. You want supporting actor? I didn't, yeah, but he was supportive. Yeah. There you go. But anyway, he's a realtor. Was a very happy chappy, with a dark past, because, of course, he's. Someone comes back into his life and tries to. I'm struggling here. You like the film more than me? You talk. Okay, so the film is basically about somebody who is trying to move on from their past, where they were part of a criminal organization, and they basically want a new life, and they find a new life as a realtor, and they find that they absolutely adore it. He is a great realtor. He loves his job. He finds pure happiness in it. But on Valentine's Day, a member of the criminal organization who he helped cover up the death of comes back and is turned out to be alive, which puts his new life in jeopardy and of course, his life in danger. The kicker of all of this is that it is just an absolute martial arts fight fest. That was so much better. You see what happens when you, like, respect the film. You put some respect on it. I, I respect him back. Right. So obviously we do have very differing opinions on this. Now, I did go into the film expecting it to be a masterpiece. Of course not. It's just an easy going Ireland 20 minutes film. But for me just wasn't easy going. It was just that I at least wanted to enjoy it and I just didn't. I just there was I think it's interesting because he's the key. Hugh Kwan is you could tell in every think, every way you could tell just by him. He's so happy. He's so lovely. And he obviously that comes across a lot in this film, but he didn't have any chemistry. And I don't think that's him. I don't think that's him at all. I think that's the writing because I didn't believe this Rose character that came in and whatever it was just and especially her.She won a Best Supporting Actress for West Side Story, Ariana DeBose, Everett Rose, DuBose and they're both great, respectively, but I just, I didn't I just I didn't care, I just didn't feel like you were expecting too much. I don't know what chemistry between actors. My apologies. Yeah. I'm so sorry for the minimum. If you watch, like, old martial arts movies, there's probably no chemistry between characters on the whole, because that's not what the films are about. They're about the action set pieces. Rush Hour, and that's very Americanized. It's it's monologue on the phone is like, yeah, okay. I'm I'm thinking back to when I actually watch the rush hour. If you haven't watched us so far. All right. The, the chemistry between the two main leads. Fine. Yeah, but there's no chemistry anywhere else. I would disagree. I have to say, in the first film, just the first film, obviously the first film, you've not seen the others. The the the villain for a star is a good villain. And there's chemistry between all three of them. There's a history there. And you could tell there was a history I can't reach. Jett Lee, who plays the villain. I can't remember the character's name in the second film. I think it's his brother that comes back chemistry immediately there, because you believe that their brother's not spoiling anything for this film. And just the way it was, the way it was done, I just if this were I just didn't like it. I didn't like it. Put the positives. He was great in the role. He was, the martial arts was very well choreographed. There's some very good moments in it. And there was a couple of supporting characters that I thought were good. So I thought I wanted to see more of. I think we even joked that one of the supporting characters had a more fleshed out story than the main two. I cared about him wanting to get back of his wife now you know, and the villain of it? Yeah. I think this is this is where I think I differ from a lot of people. Like some films are just popcorn bucket films. This film was a popcorn bucket film, which means I'm not going in expecting Academy Award winning writing. I'm not even going in expecting anything above student level from being honest. Like, I just want to see some cool set pieces. I want to see some people having fun with their craft. And I got that. I got all of that and I got that in spades. Which means, like, I'm happy for you. I'm coming away from it. I'm like, I haven't read that. Yeah. I'm like a four star in that one. It did exactly what it was meant to do. I wish that he had a better film for his first outing. Yeah, sure, sure. But he knew exactly what he wanted to be. It did that, and it didn't go anywhere further. It wasn't trying to be anything more. It wasn't like it was acting like it was more serious than they actually managed to achieve, you know? No, but I just do I do think like the villain was killing people with a fucking boba tea straw, like it's it's a silly concept. As I said, no no no no no no. And I get it. And obviously from that aspect. Yeah okay. But also it was yes, I think the film's drawback was it was an hour and 20 minutes. I wanted more. But then again it comes back to like the film would have been trying to be more than it. It's you kind of hear him in about you kind of they briefly kind of talk about his past life ish. It was he seemed all of this kung fu stuff, which you're like, well, a realist is not going to do that, is it? And then I think about an hour. So like 20 minutes left of the film, an hour in, you actually semi see what he did then do. And you only see that because it's a flashback to the death that he helped cover up. I kind of wanted to see more of him doing his old school stuff and realize, oh okay, this he's, this is why he's bad us. You see him in his. And then you see at the end obviously whatever he. Yeah it's it's it's Yeah, I actually did enjoy it. I should enjoy I wish it did. And lastly, in a weekly rushes, Bridget Jones mad About a boy. He, oh. My words. I'll try and get through this. It's obviously very fresh for us because we watched this yesterday. Yeah, but first and separately though, because Sam cheated on me I did with my my wonderful fiancé, who I've been with for 11 years. Oh. So. And we'll I'll try and get through, talking about this without crying because I cried about five times during it. Bridget Jones is a widow. Bridget is Mark Darcy, unfortunately. And humanitarian trip to Sudan was killed and in four years. And we're dealing with the effects of that four years later where Bridget is a single mum of two and she just is struggling to accept herself, to be happy again and trying to go through grief. Now, I went into this film thinking I knew Mark Darcy died. This in the trailer? Yes, in the trailer. I knew about the book. Anyway. I didn't know what anything happened in the book, but I knew in the book he died. So obviously it's coming to this film and I was semi expecting it to be like, we kind of deal with that, but then we move on to like a Bridget Jones film where, oh, she's got the, you know, she's Bridget Jones, she's got these characters that, you know, all love, love you lovey. It wasn't that it was any complete film about accepting grief and accepting your own happiness whilst mourning and trying to be a single mum and not affecting your kids. Hey, I just didn't expect that to be such a forefront of the film. I if you know what I mean. And it was so well written, well made and it's her best portrayal of Bridget Jones, I think I'd agree. I agree, I think a lot of people have been saying the same thing, and for a film to deal with such dark topics, you know, grief and the 4 or 5 seven stages of grief, whichever character you're listening to. Yes. And still have these comedic moments that I genuinely hysterical as, oh yeah, and don't kind of use it at the expense of the grief, if that makes sense. Like it was never like the grief was the butt of the joke. It was always just working it elsewhere. You can always see in her portrayal that even though she's smiling a lot of the film, you can tell that's not a real smile. I always thought, yeah, it was a mask that she was putting on to try and not let people see, and the loving storylines that you have with the young character, Leo Woodhall, who just made me feel inadequate for about a fucking hour. Yes, he's he's, I will say that there is a particular moment in the film where it was done in slow motion, trailer for a lot of, for a lot of the women and men in the audience who want to see a slow motion, good looking late 20s guy, slow motion, walk out of a swimming pool, saving a dog that is swimming is so unnecessary. Someone is fighting. It was there. But I think one thing that it did, it did keep was that it was a very much a Bridget Jones film. She was still Bridget Jones, so it was nice callbacks, I think. Oh so many. Phenomenal. Yeah. Really nice obviously, that her friendship group is just that, the same. And I love the fact that from the first Bridget Jones and 25 years later to this one, it's the same, they haven't changed like kind of anything. And you can tell they've not changed. And you think purely by every time Hugh Grant is he's great. He is still Daniel Cleaver from the first second. And and this one, he's just it's like he never left. It's like, what better? Oh, yes. He's so much better in this film. He's. There are a few moments between him and Bridget, which I think are some of the most emotional scenes in the film. Yeah, they're just they're. Yeah, they're characters I think are nominal. Like, really? Yeah. I think the, the character development of these two and where they got to now is just it's peak storytelling to me. Yeah. It's so fucking good, I love it. I love every second. I loved every second of those two on screen together. Yes I did, I did too. And it stuck the landing. If this is what if this is as it's touted to be, the final Bridget Jones outing, which I think it should be, and then we've left Bridget in such a good place, and I hope I don't see another one because I don't want it to ruin this. I love the ending. I think if they make another one, it's, it's a genuine offense. Like, it's, it's a middle finger to that film. I don't with how with obviously you're not going to go into any spoilers at all. We saw it came out a couple of days ago. I thought it I don't think there's anything more we can kind of tell now. I think with how the film went through, we obviously Mark Darcy, what she goes through in the film and how the film ends. I think that's enough. I think there's one more thing it could tell. Yeah. I genuinely think there was one more storyline and like, I'm gonna call it now. It's as a parent when you know you're going to die out. Do you prepare your kids? How do you leave the world? Yeah, I think that's the only storyline we could really go down is like, leaving behind and, you know, like, creating a world and, and a structure. That's enough for her to not be there. I can see that. I do, I want that in a Bridget Jones film. Did we want grief in a Bridget Jones? I mean, I feel like. No, but we got it, and it was so well done. But what I'm saying, I mean, I didn't want Mark Darcy to die, and I've seen that. And now I see what you're saying. I think I think they were quite adamant that this is the last one. Unless she some, for some reason writes another book. Yeah, she writes another book and then they want to adapt that. Let's see. But I see it seems as you said, I think there were there were moments in the film where it was very much I think this is a this is the the final chapter of her. I want it to be. Yeah, yeah. And I also want to shout out as well what that did for cinema over these past few days, what it did for British cinema. If you're not in Britain, you may not know the cultural impact of Bridget Jones, but we we went to the cinema on Thursday to watch those two double bills. And I think I turned to you after the first film and I was like, I've never seen the cinema so busy. Bridget Jones being released on Valentine's Day weekend. Brilliant. Yeah, just a bit. And Bridget. Yeah, Bridget Jones is so fascinating because it wasn't that long ago that I found it was a few hours. It was quite a while ago. I knew Rene's at work. It wasn't English. No. Yeah. It just is baffling when you hear her talk. And you obviously, she's like a British icon. Yeah. And she's played by Irish. Canadian. When I say or she American, I, you know, I still to this day, I have not heard her real voice. Not if you don't think I want to. I think I'm good pretending, because I remember the first time I heard Kristen Bell's real voice, and I can't get over it. It's a through me. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's got a proper, like, accent. Oh, no, she's she is, she is, she's American, but she's one of us. I mean, she's literally like as as famous as, like she's in the same the same mindset as Harry Potter, the Beatles, Harry styles, all that crap. So legit. Jones. Yeah. Bridget Jones is a staple of being British. Yes, it is more, I'd say being a British woman. Yeah. Okay. Aaron. Hello. What are you getting into so serious for? I know what the topic. Oh, it's not so I, I don't think it's, there is no on a format. There's no scripting or anything to this particular segment. I love Batman, I do. Batman is my favorite superhero. For those who don't know, not just DC, just overall, it's, it's a rich billionaire Playboy who dresses up as a bat at night and, kicks the shit out of people rather than going to therapy and never kills. We might touch upon that a bit later, but I just I wanted to spend the next 20, 30 minutes just kind of just talking about Batman's kind of history and film, what we, you know, some of our favorite moments, some of our favorite villains. I know you've got your favorite villain of all time is tattooed on your arm. Yeah. And kind of like, look to the future. What? We want to see who we, you know, kind of more villains or portrayals that we kind of want to see come up as James Gunn's obviously got his Batman. Well, it's not his, it's Robert Chest. Andy Muschietti, director of the machete. Machete. I'm not going to do any more pronunciations. This this. Oh, yeah. Inexplicably, you know, we we had a little break in this podcast because my mom came around to pick something up, and I completely forgot that you had done this. And where was I? Andy Muschietti, yes, director of The Flash. And, it the chapter 1 or 2. So I'm beyond no, the brave and the bold Batman Beyond is a TV movie and the job. But there is a director video, animated film. So we will bring it back, where it's Terry, his name is Terry. Oh, wow. It's. I can assure you, it's not Terry Crews. It's the future. It's like 50 years in the future of a very old Bruce Wayne Batman Beyond. Yeah, and he's obviously retired as Batman. He's got all of these kind of techie suits that he never kind of got to wear. And this is one prototype. He was like, you need to take over. And that's the Batman Beyond suit. And obviously return of the Joker. If you've not seen it. Great animated film. Some really cements Mark Hamill's portrayal as the Joker is probably the best. And yeah, it's pretty good. But last Batman Beyond here we start out with a hot take me, I think the Batman, the most recent one, the Batman, Robert Pattinson Robert Pattinson film is overrated. Fuck. Interesting. Hit me. Why? I think it was portrayed as this dark detective film, and I was really excited for that, because he's literally known in the comics as the world's greatest detective, and it's not really a thing we'd seen in Christopher Nolan's films or the Batman portrayal. So I was like, okay, cool. I, I've always wanted like a noir detective style with Batman, which looked like what we were getting. Batman is the shittiest detective in that film. Jesus fucking Christ. He should have solved that in two seconds. Okay, I put to you that he's two years into his tutelage as Batman. He's still young. And obviously, when you're dealing with a character as complex as the Riddler who's been doing this pretty much his whole life as he. Oh, I think he was. I think he was. You could tell from his character that he was smart. Oh, he's very he's a brilliant he's a, you know, son of the Thomas in Marvel way. So he's quite grown up in this like very sheltered, very rich lifestyle. And obviously I think it was he was an was he an orphan in the film The Riddler at that point? Yeah, I think so, yeah. Because that I think that's what he was trying to go through, wasn't it? Trying to pick out people from the orphanage or it was something. Some show. Yeah. I've only seen it once, and it was a while ago pretty much when it came out. So forgive me if I'm getting some things wrong. Please fact check me. Please comment if I'm wrong. So I just think I think from that portrayal you're you're seeing him start on that. Hence why that scene with the Penguin? He was like Mouche arc. I remember the Spanish that he was saying like el potato or something like that. He was saying, you're an idiot. And I think that builds to the Batman kind of character of him trying to work out and get better at the detective work. So I think if we'd seen Ben Affleck do that in the Batman film, fair enough. He's, you know, he's been Batman for, what, like 20 years now. So you're telling me you're Batman for two years? Yeah. And you don't have the carpet? You don't know what? I don't know if the rug don't leave the carpet. Well, I'm telling you, no police officer did that. I don't know it. Just like if a week it felt like this. Really it was. And they the the the rat with wings. Thing is, while I was like, obviously not a fucking penguin, obviously not a fucking penguin. No, no, no, I get it's the most detective that we've seen it. Is that film. And obviously it does keep it very grounded in there. I've not seen the Penguin series part of a TV job I've heard. That's also very, very good. I mean, yeah, it's when and when I shit and, yeah. So I, I think so much of a hot take because it was like three hours. Also, I didn't like the Riddler. So that's a bit of a hot take. Yeah. I thought his portrayal was Zodiac Killer, isn't it? Obviously that I see. I didn't get Zodiac. I got more incel vibes. Okay? Which I appreciate is like, you know, modern times. Read it. And so, yeah, you know, kind of those are the people who probably would be most closely associated to the zodiac, but I just, I find those kind of characters really fucking annoying. It's okay, a fair shot, I think, like the Riddler before, that was one of my favorite supervillains. You know, I love him in the Arkham games. I love that he's just this. Do love him in the Arkham. Yeah. Yeah, I love that. He's just, like, always trying. He's. He doesn't even necessarily care about crime. He just wants to prove he's smarter than Batman. Yeah, and that wasn't really portrayed for me. It wasn't. He actually cared about what he was doing. And there's not as much the Riddler that I that I know and I love. Okay. I mean, this is all me putting my own expectations on it 100%. And I know that I think that, you know, the Batman was about it is this fucking amazing turn on on the character in this like, new future for the character. And I was I was just like, it's it's I it was I it wasn't you know, it wasn't like groundbreaking like what Christopher Nolan did for the film. I even think back for like did something different and more interesting. So yeah, I mean, like if we're talking like Tim Burton, Christopher Nolan, the bat flick and and then that one, I probably put it in third, maybe fourth. Interesting, interesting was get into portrayals of obviously of the character of the Batman, as you say, World's Greatest Detective. But he's also, you know, he is the knight. He is vengeance, and Dark Knight, you know. But no, that's the Kevin Conroy stop this fucking with. You need to stop. So we go back to we. Shall we go back? I think it's unfair to not mention, actually, Adam West, obviously in the 60s, of course. Brought Batman into pop culture. Into what? We kind of know. We don't really know Batman from that today. But I do think obviously the impact that he had on the character and the copout and the wax, I still, I love him, I so camp and I just, I don't think we'd ever, ever see a Batman portrayal like that ever again. I kind of want to, but I do want to see it. And I would be interested to see how they do it. It will probably be more animated, I think, if they were going to do it, I think James Gunn could take a crack at it. You're asking him, like if he brings that kind of style and kind of, so we saw a bit of it in The Suicide Squad, but it was much more like visually, esthetically stunning. Yeah, I think he could. Well, now I, you know, I, I tell I, I, I reckon I could like or I could probably do a Scott Pilgrim versus the world kind of vibe. I reckon he could probably take a crack at it. Yeah. Okay. No persona. So we will have Adam West, the 60s. We've got Michael Keaton, who obviously tried Batman in the 80s, brought a real dark, gothic sense to the character that we still see today, thanks to Tim Burton's directing of the films. We have Val Kilmer, one outing, as Batman and Bruce Wayne in the, in Batman Forever, with George Clooney following up from the Joel Schumacher go at it. We've then obviously got the Christian Bale Dark Knight trilogy, Robert Pattinson's portrayal of The Batman, and then obviously Ben Affleck as well in the Justice League, Batman, Superman. So if you had to rank them, then if you would, let's go straight into a ranking episode and Batman's and his Bruce Wayne's. Are we doing them separately? Yeah, let's start with the Batman's. Okay. Batman's. Are we going from top of all, dealer's choice. Wow. I'm gonna go bomb a bomb. Okay. I think the weakest is Val Kilmer. Yeah. Okay. I think that's just because, you know, he wasn't in the greatest of films, and I think he just didn't get a lot to do with it, but I just don't. I don't remember anything about him and what he did with the character. So I'm going to put him weakest this far. I guess this is as a Batman. Yeah. As Batman. As Batman? Yeah, as Batman. This is where it gets hard. I fucking know it's very hard. No, I think I have to put George Clooney in the next one. Okay? I don't want to, because I actually think it is as the character. I'm going to put him hiring Bruce Wayne because I think it's Bruce Wayne. He was actually all right. I think he suits the character Clooney, isn't it? It's clearly yeah, yeah, he suits Bruce Wayne. Yeah, we've got left. We've got Adam West, Adam West, Pattinson, Affleck, Keaton and Bow Wow as hard. Well, again, just for people listening, these are our opinions. Yeah. This isn't like you can have whoever. If you think Clooney's the best Batman, good for you. And I'm glad you enjoyed it. I'm going to put in next time I'm going to put Pattinson okay. Pattinson I think like I, I'm interested to see more of him. Yeah. And I think he did a great year to Batman, but he also just wasn't a good character I think. Point of time, I think with the new when you look at the Batman's kind of surrounding him. Yeah, the rest of him seasons, obviously I know Bill get his beginning as Batman, but then you get two more films where he's more experienced. Yeah, whereas obviously Pattinson's just had one film too, so he's probably put lower down the list, I'm assuming, because he's just not. Yeah, I mean not had the yeah, we just didn't see a lot of him. And I think like as a Batman, I think he was so lost as a character. And I know that was the point. I get that's the point. But it doesn't make for a good Batman. You know, it's like in my opinion, anyway, I'm going to have to pull back for like a third. No. Excuse me. Fourth. Yeah. Which I think people are gonna get pissed that I put him above Townsend. Okay. But I actually didn't mind that flick. I thought he was all right. I thought he was. He was fucking intimidating as hell. Yes. And he is massive as a as a Batman. Like he's such an imposing presence. Yeah. I would go a little bit more controversial than you in terms of, I think his Batman v Superman suit. Probably one of my favorite Batman. It's a great costume put into film. Yeah, I think so. Also so classic. Yeah, yeah. And he is the only Batman on this list who I could believe would go toe to toe with Superman and not just get crushed, I don't think. Obviously, I know in the end of Batman v Superman he has that big armor, but I'm sure that suit that he's wearing is literally just him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This why? I mean, like, I reckon he would go into a fight with them and he can hold his own. Yeah. Whereas all the rest of them know they get crushed, know seconds. There's, there's no way. But I think West goes next. Interesting. Yeah. I have to put Logan West. We could just because of like what he did and and the fact that like you said, he brought Batman into pop culture and he was a good detective, and he was a good detective. Yeah. He was. He played what? Batman was phenomenally. Well. Yeah. He's got shark repellent spray. I mean, come on, what other Batman has that on their utility belt? Exactly like he's the most prepared. Batman. Yeah. Which means we're left with Keaton and Bale eating a second. Bale goes first. Interesting. Why? What is the reason why? I think Bale was so much more of a tortured Batman. And I think it's just because you got to see him go up against all these different villains, and you got to see all these different, like, stages in him. Yeah, but I think he was just like, he's just iconic in the role as Batman. And you saw him working things out and he was problem solving, and he was, you know, he was using his past experiences to learn. And you always saw him evolving. And I think that's what Batman is. He's an evolving character, and I love that. And then Keaton was great. Yeah. I think as I've gotten older, I've appreciated Keaton's run more. Yeah. But he's also a bit fucking goofy. You've not you obviously you've not seen The Flash, have you? So I haven't seen The Flash because he returns as, as Batman in that and his scenes as Batman in that I'm like, yeah, that's Batman. That's that spot. And I think he also has probably the best Batman score as well. The Danny Elfman Batman theme, I think, is the strongest. Your list almost. I think, pretty much follows mine. Hilmer and Clooney are interesting as Batman. I always had one go, each of them, and they are two very different portrayals as Batman. I think in terms of the torch goodness as the Batman back story with losing his obviously parents, I think you get a bit more of that. Were Kilmer's character in forever, because I think there's a deleted scene as well. He's got his massive bat coming towards him. I don't know if you've seen it. He says, oh, it's a really it's a it's a bit dark moment. He's kind of surrounded by like smoking in the black. I don't know where he is. I think it's a dream. Then he's kind of got this big like huge animatronic bat coming towards him. I think it's like symbolic, however, and I just think his portrayal obviously kind of features a bit more of Bruce Wayne's obviously character coming into Batman. Clooney because Clooney was literally just who was he? His Batman was also Bruce Wayne, I think. And I think that's the difference. Yeah. So I would probably put Clooney bottom as Batman and then kill my. Yeah, slightly above him. In terms of that, that's the only reason why I think Pattinson does go there for me as well. I enjoy I spy the sounds of it. I think I enjoyed the film a bit more than you. Yeah, but I, I need to see more. This one. I mean, it's like a Prolog. No. Yes. Yeah, exactly. It was like that. It's the first chapter. We know we're getting another one. What his story or what his character becomes in the future. We've obviously James Gunn taken over. Are we really going to have two separate Batman films in two universes or a week, or will he? Will he be James Gunn's Batman? That's not been ruled out, but I don't think he should be. I thought he had been ruled out. No, I think I do think there was something quite recently that it was a bit more. Well, let's just see kind of thing. Can't rule it out, but I want to see an older Batman with a Robin, I think. But then you've got a young Superman. So. Yeah. So you can't have an old Batman I just said would suit Robert Pattinson. Then, because he's a youngest Batman. And I also think the person playing Superman, I think is the best person to go up against or not even go up against, but go with Pattinson because he's not massive like he's a big guy, obviously very like not Cavill. Yeah, he's not Cavill. Cavill fucking huge. Yeah. No that's fair. So yeah I think parts and goes the West and Affleck are in oh for me because I love the campiness of West and as yeah, he's iconic in the role and he's also a Batman that didn't have any protection on his suit. He just wore cloth. They actually referenced on The Big Bang Theory down there. Yeah. And it's yeah. That's right. Yeah. And his cowl is literally just cloth, with eyebrows drawn on. I just love it. I love the 66 film. It's so it's it's got shark repellent spray. I come back to it again, but there's a shark hanging off his leg, and he just sprays it. That I don't think there's. I don't think Keaton or Bale do that to those, be honest. But I think I'm going to put West and then Affleck for me. Okay. I don't particularly like Batman v Superman or the Justice League. I like Justice League. There's action, I do. I don't like the Joss Whedon one. However, I do think he's portrayal as Batman in it is terrifying in parts and he's a scary character. Yeah. You're like, he is like, whoosh! Yeah, you don't want to be a mugger in Gotham. Basically with Affleck running around. Bailey second, just for me. Okay, I mean, you I feel like you grew up more on Keaton than I did, I did, I so Keaton's my number one purely, I think, because I love his. I love the fact that Keaton was if Keaton was announced in today's world back then, who he used to be, he was Beetlejuice. He was two. He was like a comedy about something else. You bring a comedic character into a Tim Burton world of Dark Thing. There was a lot of letters apparently written to Warner Brothers gone. You need to. We're not. We're going to boycott blah, blah, blah. We don't want this, don't want this early Twitter. Yeah, exactly that. And I think, the well and then he, he was Batman. Yeah. For me I just said, but I love the Christian Bale portrayals. Batman I think, as you say, very tortured, very, very much. And you see the backstory of how he became. Yeah, how he learned to fight, obviously with the League of Shadows and Ross. I'll go. So you actually really delved into his backstory, then you believed that when he came up against these complex fighting and characters like, yeah, all right. If I if you can't beat the shit out of them because he learned he learned ninja kung fu stuff, and obviously he kept Batman grounded as well. So it would be what Batman was like if he was running around today. That's why I love that portrayal. We also need to, but we do need to point out how important it is to have a good film maker at the helm. Definitely because the Christopher Nolan films, aside from Bale being a great Batman, are just some of the greatest films made genuinely. Yeah, yeah, I completely agree. Yeah, Bruce Wayne's in my list is gonna be so different. I'll going to run through it fairly quickly. I think bottom for me is Pattinson. Unfortunately I just he was a he was non-existent. Yeah obviously he's very young still raw whatever his film is second to last for me on that Clooney goes a little bit above him because as you say, he is George Clooney and he's very much Clooney. Ask Affleck who, Bruce Wayne for me, just a bit. Just a bit above Clooney and then Keaton. He was not. He was. He was a goofy Bruce Wayne. Yeah, he was so goofy. Let's get nuts. Let's. Yeah. Yeah. West and Bale. Okay. Adam West was a good looking man. And, Yes. I'm sorry, is this is my list. And you. See you. You see him is Bruce Wayne. He has aura as Bruce Wayne, I think. I think he does. That's me. I've locked it in. I think I would put patterns in the bottom again just because he he was non-existent. He, like Bruce Wayne, had disappeared. It was Batman and it was Batman in a suit and Batman out of a suit. So his bottom I think Kilmer I would agree with I think I put Keaton there next. Okay. Fair enough. I think I'm more as I say, I grew up with them. Yeah. He did. Yeah, I think Keaton's Bruce Wayne was just like it was such a juxtaposition against the Batman because he was. So that was where the comedic thing of him came out. And I think to an extent, it didn't work. Like the scene where he's in the, the, the dinner and he's like, I've never been in this room. It's just like, what the fuck are you like, what the fuck is this about? Yeah, no offense, I understand that was the point as well. So fair enough. You've got left. We've got Bale, Affleck, West, Clooney. I'm gonna put Clooney next. Clooney. Clooney was a good Bruce Wayne. We have to acknowledge this just because it was Clooney. Yeah, yeah, but a billionaire Playboy, he was. He was great with that Upper West. Next, I'm pointing back about Flick High and I think people yeah, you will. But the reason I'm putting Affleck so high and I think I put him second is because, like, you saw how much care he had for Gotham. Yeah, he gave a shit about golf season. Yeah, yeah. He was. Oh, and obviously him running into the the but watching. Yeah. Like he was just he was a good guy. He was clearly someone who had both identities quite well. Okay. Like kept as Bruce Wayne. He was a good guy in the philanthropic aspect. Like I think he was just a he was just a really good Bruce Wayne. I didn't mind if he was on screen into or out. So he was great. He did have a again, I'm not going to say you have to watch The Flash, because I'll never say that to anyone. However, he has a speech in The Flash where he's Bruce Wayne talking to Barry Allen, which I think is probably one of the best Bruce Wayne portrayals. When you listen to his speech and when he when he talks to him, I just think that that that is Bruce Wayne. And I wish we got more of that. I wish we got more of that fight full stop, because I think we've spoken about before the conversation that Batman has with the Joker in the extended cut offs of the Zack Snyder's Justice League is one of the best joke about man interactions we've seen on film. I think, like the the mocking of Robin's death and and how Batman responds to him and the tension between them trying to be allies. Oh yeah, it's just so good. Buffalo got did so dirty. He was, I wish we got Ben Affleck's Batman film. So do I, I because I think he he was directing and writing it, and I think that would have been really good. You know Matt Damon as the Joker, you know, like, why not? Yeah. Just bring everyone in. Yeah. Jennifer Garner is whoever I for Garner is just fucking. Yeah. Martha Wayne come back to life for some reasons to get her off. Yeah. And then yeah. Bale I mean Bale was my introduction to the character. Yeah. So I think for me he like you with Keaton will always hold a special place in my heart. And he was just great. Anyway, like this, this person who was battling with what it was like the first time. I think we've seen someone wanting to leave Batman behind as well. Yeah, yeah, even from the beginning, it was never like something which he needed. It was like. Or he didn't think he needed. Sorry. It was something that Gotham needed. And then. Yeah, to learn that, no, he didn't need it. And then he had to learn to move on from grief. It was like a whole thing about good. Yeah. So well-written. Yeah. I mean, just. Yeah. Yeah. So. Okay. Fair enough. I will just say the best Batman Joker interaction is absolutely the interrogation scene in The Dark Knight. The police, that is the best, Batman. Oh, yeah. Okay, I'll give you that. I'll give you that. Although, you know what? The joker hanging upside down. Oh, yeah. That was good. Yeah. Because obviously he was like, yeah, we needed a little like Matt. Yeah. Needs a little push. And then talking about their relationship and how they can't code. They can't exist without each other. Yeah. Yeah. You can't live. Yeah. You just can't live without or you can't. You don't want me to die. I like the interrogation scenes very much. I think the realization that Batman just can't beat him, because the Joker is always two steps ahead of him, and I like that. So that's why he leads us. We just try to beat the shit out of him. Because you can't beat him up here. He has to throw hands, and even then, he doesn't even he still mocks him. He's laughing on the floor. Perfect Joker portrayal. I don't think it's fair. Fair to say Heath ledger would be our number one of Joker, our hands down all the time. Yeah, he's. I mean, I feel so sorry for every joker after it late night that us that he's just never going to match is always going to be compared every time. Even though I think Jack Nicholson's portrayal as the Joker is probably more comic accurate or probably more accurate to the to the characterization, potentially what the Joker is, is Matt is mad, man. He just laughs all the time. He's got scarred, obviously dipped in the acid, although I don't know if that's if that was the killing joke or whether that was his actual backstory. Look, he's never really had a backstory. He has many backstory, has something that's great. Yeah, he has many, many backstories. And I think that's one of the reasons I love Heath Ledger's as well. Was it delved into that? Yeah. He didn't know who this character was. You don't know how he got these scars? No. I just think Nicholson's portrayal, when he's been beaten up because you wouldn't hit a guy with glasses on, would you? Yeah, it was a like in the middle of being beating the shit out of it just still makes a joke. I just loved it. Yeah. Need a hand? That's excellent. And I think, personally, Michael Kane is the best. Alfred. He was a great Alfred. Yeah. I like this just older guy who is just very sick of it. Yeah. It's just he had fucking it. I think I've said this before by the jokers, but I do think, Jared Leto deserved better. Yeah. Because I think his, his portrayal had potential. Yeah. And was just dealt with in such a shit way and came at this point in the universe that just didn't know what to do with him. I do. Yeah, I do think he wasn't written or directed very well. And I think you could tell that by Zack Schneider, seen in the, in the Justice League, that if you actually have someone that writes the, you know, this joker and understands this character a bit more, I think as you can tell with the, with the interaction between the two is like, yes, yeah, this is, this is this is it. And unfortunately, yeah, he was just put into not a great film comes. So there's a couple more than for you. You're obviously we've talked about Joker. We talked about your favorite film. Yes. Of all time in you didn't realize Joker is my favorite Batman. No, no. Will you say favorite? Pretty much favorite comic villain? Yeah. I mean, yeah, I think partly because of his connection with the hero and how they mirror each other. Yeah, I think it's phenomenal. But also, it's just such an interesting character. We've talked about previously, villains that we want to see brought to screen. For me, I want to see we've seen Mr. Freeze. I want to see that again. I'll get to that in a second. Are there any Batman villains we've not seen that. You're like, we need to see this character. I have a couple. One of them is harsh. For those unfamiliar with character. Harsh he is. He basically has plastic surgery to make himself look like Bruce Wayne. Yeah. And I think that would be really interesting to kind of get in, to have him kind of find himself, etc.. I'd love to see who is the other one better man. Oh, the other one. I think we are getting by the sounds of things is Clayface. Oh, yeah, I think that so there's a few directors being touted for this, and it's like a B-movie actor who injects himself with this serum. And obviously then creates Clayface. I love him in the Arkham games. Yeah, you put a pound in the game in jail. I'm about to put upon the TV. There was a recent animated series on Prime for Batman, and Clayface had an episode on that. Oh, is that right? Yeah, yeah. So there you go. I'm sure he's cut out another pound in the TV jar. It's the Harley Quinn series. And Alan Tudyk. Yes, he plays Clayface, and I think he's now in Creature Commandos, which the James Gunn series on HBO Max, which I'm sure Alan Tudyk is. He plays him again. I think so, yeah, I would really love to see that brought to the screen and seeing how how that works at a, say, be interesting. I think I have to. Okay, before you get into your Mr. Freeze things, I know that's probably going to round out the episode because you and Mr. Freeze, I've never seen such a tragic backstory that could not have been done with Arnold Schwarzenegger. We can do tragic, right? We'll get into it in a second. One of them is poison ivy, I think. I would love to see. I think right now poison ivy would be a really interesting villain because she's so like nature based and like, so she, she favors nature over humans, which I think in the current climate of climate change and how we're basically fucking destroying the world would be a really interesting one. I stop you there. Why? We've already seen I know we've already seen her. Oh, that was Uma Thurman. Yeah I know okay. My question was who fucking you allowed to bring up Mr. freeze dead? I didn't I said I said I know what brought Mr. Freeze and we'll get to that in a minute. But ones that I've not seen I want to see are. All right. Let me put an appendix on my end. Okay. Because I want to see done well on screen. Yeah, yeah, yeah I want to see poison ivy done well one that we haven't seen, which I would love to see. I can't remember the name of this, but it's a robot that Bruce Wayne slash Batman designs to kill Batman. So it's this idea that Batman has a contingency plan for everybody in the Justice League if they ever go evil. And, you know, he has a way of killing them all and there is a joke in one of the comics where they say to him, well, what do we do? You turn evil anytime Superman says, run. Yeah. Sorry, love, but he he actually builds a robot. This like I which is its sole focus is to kill Batman. Okay? And there's a point. For some reason, it gets loose and goes after Batman before he's evil. I would love to see him. Okay. Did you have another one? No. I think I'll say because you fucking shat on my poison ivy. No, no, no, no, we've got we've got cinema in 15 minutes. I know, but, so, one last one I did want to see, actually, I think they're fairly recently created, to be honest, a Court of owls. You know what you say that fairly recently created? I'm sick of seeing them already. They're in 4K and everything, okay? They're in everything. And I'm like, just chill, bro. We've seen them all the time. 2012 they were created, I think, in the game Gotham Nights. I think they're quite I think they're in that heavily even. It's in there I don't what have they I think they've, they were in like the Harlequin series or something. They've been in a couple of series. They haven't been in a film yet. True. But like we've just been seeing them. Oh, I'm just having oh I don't know. I'm having a look on their in media. They appeared in Gotham. There you go. They appear in Gotham. So that's the time series, a Harley Quinn episode. And then before that the Gotham Knights. Maybe I actually a reference a lot, I don't know, but like, I think based on how new they are, they are constantly everywhere. They are interesting though, like this secret society, kind of underground, like controlling Gotham almost. I think that's interesting. I think that could work in a but in a Pattinson world. Yeah, I think they are rumored to come into the next film. Oh. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yes. Mr. freeze, I want to see Mr. Freeze done. Well, I know I've said it after it in every episode. I think I've ever done that this year. I've. Yeah, I just, I just it's his it does it all through because he wants to keep his wife alive. And I just think, I think there is a real project ness that is that can be done so well with that, that you if done correctly, you could then be against Batman, I think. Yeah, it would be a really interesting storyline to see Batman battle with the morality of like what is crime? Yeah. You know, what is, is there a right and wrong? Where's the line? Yeah. No. And and that's it. And, you know, if we, if we, if you can develop that story well, and then when they're facing each other, you can actually have the audience split with. I agree with him. While I agree. Yeah. Yeah. That is what I think is not the other villains, obviously with poison Ivy, as you say. Obviously the human, the world with nature and everything. Yeah, you understand it. The Joker, I don't think, has anything redeeming about him. He's just a nutcase. He's like Michael Myers. Yeah, like the epitome of evil. You know, some men just want to watch the world. BRB. Yeah, it's literally iconic. And it's also the perfect Joker reference. Yeah, I don't want to say it. I if I had to choose who don't want to see play and I would probably like to see I think Bryan Cranston would be interesting. Okay. I think he can play him well. I saw a list earlier, Jason Isaacs, they saw this would be cracking because he's got a very short he can have a very soft approach to him. I think for those who don't know, Jason Isaacs most notably was senior Malfoy. Yes, in the Harry Potter films. Oh, wow. Hook, right? Is he hook I thought he was hook a woman. Well, excuse me, I'm wrong. Anyway. Ralph and Rafe finds refined Rafe finds is interesting I he I don't think he I think to be fair, he could play anyone, but he's brilliant at what he who he is. But I think Cranston or Isaacs for me, I think. I think could really, really portray him. Well. I'm gonna throw a crazy one into the mix with it. Hugh Grant is quite crazy, actually. Yeah, why, I think. Have you seen heretic? You'll agree with it a little bit more. Oh, okay. Oh yeah, I, I've not, I've literally just seen him as Daniel Cleaver in Bridget Jones. You can understand why I'm a bit thrown by that, but like I mean that's part of it because in that film we saw such a raw side to him, this emotion that he can hit. Yeah. So you bring that into that role, this tragic backstory, this yearning for something more yearning for to fix something. And then you pair it with the pure, unhinged creepiness we saw in heretic. I think it'd be a really fucking interesting take on it now. Okay, okay, I need to what? I need to watch heretic, basically. And I'll understand that reference. I like my my way of choosing people for certain characters is not like, do I think they fit best? It's. Do I think they'd be interesting? Okay. And if it's like something I haven't seen before, oh yeah. I'm fucking with by. Even if it fails, I don't care because the journey and the seeing it is going to be more interesting to me. So before we wrap up, because I know we've got a couple minutes if I quickfire very quick one quick fire. Question five about my film. Oh, the Dark Knight. It's the Dark Knight. It's not as easy as it. There's no it. There's no question. What about you? It is probably the Dark Knight as well. Yeah. I feel like it's unfair, though. Yeah, I know, I know, I think that the very, very close seconds for me are the 98, the 89, Batman, Keaton. Always full, forever. Hold that place in my heart. But also Batman Begins. I don't think that gets talked about enough because it's followed by The Dark Knight, I think, as an origin story that explores Bruce Wayne and then Batman, and I think Liam Neeson is Ra's al Ghul. I think he was brilliant. There's obviously some things to be said about, you know, it cast the he's an Asian character, but that's Hollywood. It's, you know, I mean, as a portrayal goes, I love Liam Neeson's roles. I'll go with it is brilliant. And yeah, I think just as a backstory origin into The League of Shadows, which I think is a great villains, it's really close. But when when he followed by the Dark Knight, horrible and Tom Hardy's Bane just before the end, I don't if it's controversial take. I think he's probably one of the best betrayals Batman villains again, it's this thing of like you follow Heath Ledger's Joker. Yeah, no matter what you do. Yeah, yeah, like the third film was never going to be as well received because how can you top it? Yeah. If he had top The Dark Knight, fuck me. What a film we would have. Fuck me. He's a knight, isn't a Sir Christopher Nolan. I can't wait for the Odyssey. Oh, I've been hearing things about the Odyssey. I'll tell you that. I've heard about the Cyclops. The building in a cave. Yeah, like a six by six Cyclops in the fucking real cave. Like, what is he doing? Crazy, man. He's a crazy man. He's going to do, like, rituals to bring these fuckers to life. We'll end it there. There's more is so much more to the Batman mythology, Batman film. Everything that we can just continue to talk about. And we might return to it in a later episode with a bit more structure. But I just want to talk about Batman. I just love talking about Batman is my fave. Are you going to say something? Okay, I got one last quick five here. Hit me. If you had the choice, who would you choose to play Batman next in the the new bright. Oh my. Would like any actor you've seen recently. Where you saying that's quick? Fire with fire. You I have seen, I have seen, something where there's a there's a team called the you 52 or something like that, or it's like the, justice League, where it's basically the alternate versions of the Ultraman Owl man. I think basically, you know, the Justice League, but the bad ones. Omens from Watchmen, or is it. Oh, man, who is someone? Basically, it's. They're not. It's like Ultraman. Obviously it's Superman, but yeah, yeah. And obviously bat, it's Batman, but they're not being. Yeah. And then I think there's Wonder Woman but there's I can't remember who what they're called. Basically they're the Justice League, the ultimate whatever. Is that the alternate universe of them. And I saw someone say, if if they brought that into film, use Zack Snyder's Justice League, use Henry Cavill as Ultraman, use Ben Affleck as this, use gal Godot. That it would never happen in a million years. However, be very cool. That would be great. Very, very. Oh, I don't know, because that's not a quick fire question to answer. Seven minutes because, we've got to leave. I think that obviously we're going for a we got I think we're going for a slightly older Batman. Oh, no. Because as I say, it's a young Superman. I don't know what they're doing with break from the bold. Ignore brave in the bold. There's a there's a actor, that I will very quickly type in his name. He plays. He plays Jack Reacher in the Prime Show. Reacher. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Alan Ritchson. Yeah, a fucking massive yes, he is bigger than Cavill, I'm pretty sure. And I think he has to look over Bruce Wayne. I think he can. He has, he looks like. Yeah, he's good looking, man. He's got you. Seems like he's got some charm. But as you say, he massive, he is in a film with Henry Cavill actually called the Miss the League of the Ministry of Entourage. Yes, I'm sure I obviously. Yeah. You see them side by side. The big men are huge. So. And I think if I'm not wrong, I think he has campaigned to potentially want to put his name forward. Go. Yeah. If the if I'm asked to let's let's do it. And I'm like yeah. Do you know what I will because I've seen some clips of Reacher and yeah, I think if he does what he doesn't Reacher and a Batman suit I'm all for. That's why that's me. So I say we might come back to Batman in future. Episode. I'd love to. I've talked about the character, maybe more comic book, DC, Marvel. Let's see what the slate looks like. I mean, we so we're about to go and see Captain America for, brave New World, brave New World, which has. I've so this interesting. I've only seen bad reviews. You've seen some good reviews. I've seen mixed. Yeah, yeah, I've seen a lot of people go, okay. This hasn't been great. But then on the flip side, I've seen people kind of go against that and go where they're saying, this is bad. I'm not sure what film they've watched, so we'll let you know our review. Next week, we you know, we thank you very much for listening. You can follow us on the letter box. I'm Sam at this hour. Duke. Hello. Hello. Tick tock. Blue sky, where you find nothing on there. And we say every week we may. Which we will go. We'll try. We are sure we will find. We have. Yeah we have I mean we, we have started to write out the social media plan. It's just we now need execute it. We just, you know, it's coming. So it's coming a pinky promise. You can't break a pinky promise. And performance on Spotify and Apple every Thursday at 6:00 in the morning, depending on when it lands where you listen from. And we have Horror Skies release episodes every Thursday. I've been Sam, I've been Aaron. 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